In related news --> https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/08/north-korea-launches-new-tactical-nuclear-attack-submarine

Seems like those sanctions worked very well

"By refusing to participate in and facilitate acts of murder and war, Elon is guilty of killing children!"

Great logic there. So you also believe that pacifists are guilty of murder themselves because they refuse to participate in war?

It is probably too french for us to fathom.

silly bothsidesism. there might not be angels in this conflict, but only a pootlicker would deny the fact that russians are the aggressors, are the ones who INVADED A SOVEREIGN COUNTRY in order to CONQUER ITS TERRITORY. they are the ones killing innocent men, women, and children in a war of aggression. no moronic "b-b-but ukrainians are evil too" whataboutism will ever hide that simple truth.

that's like saying "the allies did war crimes too, and their conditions in the treaty of versailles basically forced the nazis into a war." - we can still determine which side is significantly worse than the other. here's a hint: it's the side that invades other countries and kills their people in order to conquer and annex their territory.

foh with your war apologist rhetoric.

The French have been too war-like for too long. And it finally came back to bite them in the ass when Germany took their vengeance. A relic of Napoleonic Caesarism perhaps, or the barbarity of the revolution. Bring back the honourable French Monarchy and the country is fixed

You saying "bothsidesism" doesn't invalidate the truth that yes, both sides here are bad. You tacking on -ism does not constitute a valid argument.

Who's territory is whose is not set in stone, and is a matter of perspective. By your logic, is Mexico justified in invading Texas and the southern states because the territory used to be theirs? Do you believe the USA should concede the territory they gained (by invasion) in the Mexican-American war?

Edit: the conditions of the Treaty of Versailles DID essentially force the Germans into war, as it was unjust and malicious. This is the academically accepted view. Carthaginian peace does not work, and is not peace at all - it's an act of war in itself. Germany considered themselves to still be at war.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carthaginian_peace

This post was edited by El1te on Sep 8 2023 12:24pm

Correction: NATO triggered this war and are now very happy to supply Ukraine with everything it asks for including banned cluster munitions because they still insist they're going to reel in Ukraine.

Musk worried about triggering WW3 which is why he turned off Starlink, which was the right thing to do. Ukraine should be grateful with all the help Musk provided but they're biting the hand that feeds them, notice the trend?

BTW whataboutism getting old so now it's bothsidesism?

This post was edited by Djunior on Sep 8 2023 12:28pm

uncritically stating "both sides are bad" only serves to downplay the crimes of the side that is worse. you're not being smart doing that, you're not being "technically correct", you're actively pushing the invading force's propaganda.

ukraine certainly wasn't too tender when REACTING to russian meddling (tons of unmarked troops, kremlin funding of pro-russian opposition...), of transparent russian attempts to create yet another flimsy casus belli (like they have done before in georgia or chechnya for example, literally the exact same playbook - and you still fall for it uncritically, lol), and they were criticised for it because innocent civilians did indeed die.

to use that REACTION TO RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE ON UKRAINIAN TERRITORY as an excuse to just equally blame "both sides" is nothing but hackery / propaganda though. russia is BY FAR the worse party, not only because they instigated "both" conflicts, but also because they LITERALLY INVADED A SOVEREIGN COUNTRY (multiple times) and keep MURDERING INNOCENT CIVILIANS BY THE THOUSANDS.

anyone who can't acknowledge that simple truth is either stupid beyond belief, or a russian propagandist (or likely both)...

Ukraine launched the missile that sunk the Moskva. Why is it so hard for you to base yourself in reality?

You keep saying murdering innocent civilians while ignoring the fact that Ukrainians have also been murdering innocent civilians for over 8 years now in the Donbas

This post was edited by El1te on Sep 8 2023 12:34pm