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Jan 15 2019 05:32pm
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Slow news day.


There's a lot of "Mueller is wrapping up any day now" buzz, so it's at least an indicator.

I don't really understand this Ukraine stuff... if Gates isn't cooperating on a conspiracy with Russia, then clearly there's something significant with their Ukrainian lobbying that goes beyond just FARA violations.
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Jan 17 2019 08:00am
two more details:
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/key-doj-officials-mueller-knew-about-dossier
Bruce Ohr didn't just tell McCabe & Strzok about the Steele Dossier, but also told DoJ officials Andrew Weissmann and Zainab Ahmad, both who joined Mueller's team
https://www.theepochtimes.com/mccabes-fbi-tried-to-re-engage-christopher-steele-after-comey-was-fired_2766822.html
After Steele was terminated when his 'credibility issues' surfaced, Bruce Ohr remained a conduit for him to work 'unofficially' for the FBI
Andrew McCabe attempted to bring Steele back on an official capacity in the 8 day interim between Comey's firing and Mueller's appointment

also this good point of speculation;

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On the one hand, McCabe testified there was no obstruction from Trump, yet, just five days later, McCabe was attempting to convince Rosenstein to go along with his efforts to open an obstruction investigation into the president. Events suggest that McCabe’s efforts were met with alarm from Rosenstein, who responded by appointing Mueller as special counsel. Rosenstein may have also informed Trump of McCabe’s intentions.
Rosenstein would now retain ultimate authority over the probe, and any expansion of Mueller’s investigation required authorization from Rosenstein.


It makes a case worth considering that Mueller's appointment was embraced as a means to shut out McCabe when he started on his anti-Trump crusade.
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Jan 17 2019 08:08am
Quote (Goomshill @ Jan 17 2019 09:00am)
two more details:
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/key-doj-officials-mueller-knew-about-dossier
Bruce Ohr didn't just tell McCabe & Strzok about the Steele Dossier, but also told DoJ officials Andrew Weissmann and Zainab Ahmad, both who joined Mueller's team
https://www.theepochtimes.com/mccabes-fbi-tried-to-re-engage-christopher-steele-after-comey-was-fired_2766822.html
After Steele was terminated when his 'credibility issues' surfaced, Bruce Ohr remained a conduit for him to work 'unofficially' for the FBI
Andrew McCabe attempted to bring Steele back on an official capacity in the 8 day interim between Comey's firing and Mueller's appointment

also this good point of speculation;
It makes a case worth considering that Mueller's appointment was embraced as a means to shut out McCabe when he started on his anti-Trump crusade.


Also, Steele expressed frustration to Ohr because once Mueller took over they weren't contacting him for months.

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Text messages to Ohr from Steele provide some hints and highlight an abrupt pullback by the FBI. In June 2017, Steele sent Ohr the following text:

“We are frustrated with how long this re-engagement with the Bureau and Mueller is taking. There are some new perishable operational opportunities we do not want to miss out on.”

Steele sent another text to Ohr on Nov. 18, 2017:

“I am presuming you’ve heard nothing back from your SC colleagues on the issue you kindly put to them for me. We have heard nothing from them either. To say this is disappointing would be an understatement.”


The perceived anti-Trump bias of Steele seems like a stupid talking point... he believed his sources were telling him the truth, so obviously he wouldn't want a man compromised by Russia to become president.

Some of Papadopoulos's testimony was interesting. The FBI wanted to wire him up to talk to Mifsud, which he refused to do. I do wonder if the FBI had some sting operation with the Greek guy giving him 10k.

Any theories on who the Trump campaign spy was? Those assholes at Epoch aren't releasing the name.
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Jan 17 2019 10:33am
Giuliani needs to stop going on TV

Ugggggghhhh
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Jan 17 2019 10:42am
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Giuliani needs to stop going on TV

Ugggggghhhh


that guy needs to seriously go over and work for Breitbart or another outlet that's openly biased. he'd do fine there.

the only 4d chess argument that works for him is he's the bad news fall guy that they trot out there to low key drop shitty news ahead of media breaking them. but if that's the case he's got to be an absolute genius and perfect actor, anything less and he's clearly just slipping.
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Jan 17 2019 11:04am
Quote (EndlessSky @ Jan 17 2019 11:33am)
Giuliani needs to stop going on TV

Ugggggghhhh




Now we're at "maybe the campaign colluded, but Trump didn't know about it".

Thanks Rudy, that's one step closer to the light.

How would you know that nobody in your campaign colluded? That's a good question Rudy.

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Jan 17 2019 11:06am
I've long supported Rudy being on TV

just a straight shooter honest type of patriot. Hopefully he keeps doing many more interviews in support of our great President
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Jan 17 2019 03:21pm
also, the Bruce Ohr transcript being revealed exposes that Adam Schiff was indeed full of shit and simply lying in his 'FISA Rebuttal letter', when the house was doing its dueling FISA memos.
https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/425739-fisa-shocker-doj-official-warned-steele-dossier-was-connected-to-clinton
https://dailycaller.com/2019/01/17/bruce-ohr-adam-schiff-dossier/

The cliffs notes version: Schiff's memo claimed that Ohr only met with the FBI after the election, that the republicans were lying about him meeting earlier, and thus was uninvolved in the earlier FISA process, that the FBI was unaware of Steele's bias at the time and that Steele had been terminated and uninvolved in the FBI's investigation after his bias became clear.

Bruce Ohr however testified that he met with the FBI only days after meeting Steele, first on July 31st and then in August, briefing the top FBI/DoJ officials who sought the FISA warrant, particularly McCabe & Strzok. And he told them at the time about Steele's bias and desperation to stop Trump being elected, and directly told them that the Steele dossier was a product of Democratic campaign research. And after Steele's termination, Ohr continued to serve as a back channel conduit for Steele to pass information to the FBI, which traveled from Steele to Ohr to Pientka to Strzok. And in that 8 day span after Comey's firing, McCabe tried to re-enlist Steele as said above.

so lets all travel through the time machine and remember what was said about the dueling FISA memos now that we have the benefit of hindsight:
https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=78040287&f=119

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Jan 17 2019 03:27pm
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also, the Bruce Ohr transcript being revealed exposes that Adam Schiff was indeed full of shit and simply lying in his 'FISA Rebuttal letter', when the house was doing its dueling FISA memos.
https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/425739-fisa-shocker-doj-official-warned-steele-dossier-was-connected-to-clinton
https://dailycaller.com/2019/01/17/bruce-ohr-adam-schiff-dossier/

The cliffs notes version: Schiff's memo claimed that Ohr only met with the FBI after the election, that the republicans were lying about him meeting earlier, and thus was uninvolved in the earlier FISA process, that the FBI was unaware of Steele's bias at the time and that Steele had been terminated and uninvolved in the FBI's investigation after his bias became clear.

Bruce Ohr however testified that he met with the FBI only days after meeting Steele, first on July 31st and then in August, briefing the top FBI/DoJ officials who sought the FISA warrant, particularly McCabe & Strzok. And he told them at the time about Steele's bias and desperation to stop Trump being elected, and directly told them that the Steele dossier was a product of Democratic campaign research. And after Steele's termination, Ohr continued to serve as a back channel conduit for Steele to pass information to the FBI, which traveled from Steele to Ohr to Strzok. And in that 8 day span after Comey's firing, McCabe tried to re-enlist Steele as said above.

so lets all travel through the time machine and remember what was said about the dueling FISA memos now that we have the benefit of hindsight:
https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=78040287&f=119


Except the dossier wasn't "a product of Democratic campaign research". It was initially Republican oppo research which rolled over to Democratic oppo after the primaries were all but over (don't believe me, read the transcript of Glenn Simpson's testimony to the SJC - I have read the entire thing: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4345537-Fusion-GPS-Simpson-Transcript.html).
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Jan 17 2019 03:30pm
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but i heard in 2016 that this historic win was just the start of a 50+ year unopposed run for the GOP and that the mental disorder known as liberalism was a dying breed!

I agree, i think that we're looking at a base so energized that 2018 is going to be rough and 2020 might be worse for the GOP. While goomy runs around calling russia a nothingburger scare tactic the truth is it's hardened the base, could lead to an incredibly expensive impeachment preceding, and will likely cause our station in the world to diminish. In essence, while it's also likely true to an extent BUT friendly fire in effect, its potent ammo for the left come election time. Right winged narratives can be directly linked to a foreign government, and while those are just echos of the right itself its still a pretty damn good easy button for Dems.


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i realize that, what im suggesting is that you are the one who is hysterical (or as close to emotion as you can get :rofl: ) because this russia shit will lead to results you don't like. Expensive impeachment proceedings that set a dangerous precedent, a sitting president who couldn't pass a damn thing, etc. Whereas when Obama lost his mandate and had to sit on his hands, largely driven by bullshit in the media about his Muslim takeover of the US and gungrabbbing aspirations that didn't line up, you would have been much less upset. Russian collusion isn't a nothing burger, its largely misdirected because its more about russian interference, and for every legit "win" on the subject we shoot our feet 3 times, but its not a nothing burger. Funny thing is centrists like myself called for a much less involved investigation, but the right called it 100% fake news, so the left amplified the claims to the point that it garnered an investigation larger than what we needed. the finger pointing always leads to overspending and media hysteria, when a simple bipartisan fact finding group in the House could have presented a preliminary report that may have left Mueller in retirement.


still stand by everything that i wrote that i've read thusfar.
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