Quote (Prox1m1ty @ 8 Sep 2023 11:06)
So all the wrong that happened in the past excuses what your countrymen are doing today?
Who would have thought that with all the advances in human understanding we would have you arguing that two wrongs make a right.
What a feeble, deflective and denialiat argument.
The difference is I can accept and agree colonialism was evil.
But you can't condone Putin is doing is evil, or can you? :)
Of course not, we should learn from our history as humanity. As mentioned before in my post a few pages back, history doesn't repeat, it rhymes. The problem is that as we observe now the countries with the most problematic history are somehow the most vocal on the issues they have perpetrated themselves until very very recently, but that has been now swept under the rug. Illegal invasions, tortures, missiles strikes killing children and pregnant women, abductions and detentions without proper trial. None of that matters and will never be prosecuted anymore as we have a new boogaloo in town, look the other way! Additionally there seems to be several layers of diplomacy with MSM washing the brains of everyone who is not capable of thinking critically on both sides of the fence, be that your average Russian, Ukrainian or a guy sitting in Malmo, Sweden or Tuscaloosa, Alabama. If anything a guy in Tuscaloosa would not be able to tell a Ukrainian or Russian apart even if his life depended on it - yet he has formed an opinion about them without ever meeting them in person.
To my knowledge I havent written a single post supporting Putin here or elsewhere and have been against him my whole life. The tragedy is that he has managed to shift the problem away from him into existential issue of Russia surviving as a state and has regained his faltering support. Before the war one could doubt the results of the elections as he probably had a narrow win which was "adjusted" to make it overwhelming. The situation has shifted away from "we don't like Putin and would like a non-violent measure to remove him, but this will take time to evolve as a society" to "We dont like Putin, but if we are defeated - we will become the next Lybia and spend another two or three decades in extreme poverty". It is tragic, but it is a sober analysis of what has transpired.
If you allow I give you another example - people were more than happy to bomb the shit out of Uighurs in Afghanistan and labeled them "jihadist fighters" until they became a "suppressed minority" and were used to put some dirt on China omitting the fact that NATO coalition was more than happy to exterminate them a few years prior (https://www.icct.nl/publication/uighur-foreign-fighters-underexamined-jihadist-challenge). It feels like this is happening all over again in Ukraine where people were concerned about "corruption of the Ukrainian political elite" and "rise of neo-nazism" until recently where this all became irrelevant as everyone became paragons of goodness and martyrs of democracy fighting against "forces of evil" that stand against "human life itself" or some Goebbels propaganda along those lines. It feels like people are playing some 5D chess with human lives of simple people like me or you to fulfil their political ambitions and without any regard to long-term consequences of their actions.
It's horrible what's happening to common Ukrainian people on the ground, but wars are settled through diplomacy or total annihilation. I do not see an overwhelming win for either of the sides at the moment as Russians have stalled and Ukrainians cannot win their land back at the moment.
This post was edited by Malopox on Sep 8 2023 03:51am