Quote (colorful @ 8 Sep 2023 04:18)
No bias take here
I am an American Russian, live in NYC, state side for 25+ years:
- American culture is completely being lost and forgotten
- quality of everything is going to shit and fast
- ok war is wrong, but bullying and forcing your will on people is worse- that’s what this country has repeatedly done not only in this case but to so many other countries in the world.
- even so many Ukrainian people that come here understand, this “help” from the US isn’t free- it’s not even wanted but forced there too. One man sold out his whole country
- sure, I’ll agree Putin is who he is- but that’s a given. The lies and corruption that I, a working class citizen am forced to pay for are much worse.
Stop looking at this as a conflict with Russia. How about all the people that are losing quality of life on all fronts? Don’t forget, someone’s loss is someone else’s win.
Proximity, meanwhile- I never agree with the stuff you say, but I read it.
Everyone else- I tend to agree and I watch content from both sides.
Everyone- it’s great we have this discussion- but understand- there are people paying for this- on all sides. Right or wrong, at the end of the day, ask yourself- how the fuck can’t we come to a resolution if we are all so intelligent? Is it because it’s more profitable not to come to a resolution? Has money/“flexing” (sorry for lack of a better term) become more valuable than life?
I doubt anyone here would really wish something bad on the other- its bad nature to wish ill on anyone. Let’s all think and maybe discuss possible solutions instead of trying to outwit the people who manipulate us.
Pseudo-common ground, introduce doubt about A, A can be considered potentially wrong, A is completely wrong, B seems resonable finally, B is potentially right, B is definitely right and logically better than A.
Here: "My own survival" & "war is bad", "US culture is bad", "Ukrainians didn't really choose" & "it's a manipulation", "Both sides" & "Putin's not the real problem", "Do nothing", and so on...
It is perfectly clear that US assistance to Ukraine isn't free. Okay, so how costly is the Russian assistance to Ukraine ?
This is why I am strongly recommending you swap your seat with a guy like
(hello), who can be called on frontlines anytime if Putin decides to go in full meat factory mode with a mobilization.
You will finally enjoy the "why not" of a non-American culture: not even decadent, but completely destroyed by 100 years of various purges. Lesser evil ?
Someone i know very well had a meeting with Sales (private sector, food) from the whole EU, including Russians:
I heard that russians (the people) are afraid of Putin and are afraid to talk, want Putin to stop his war and leave. They also want to join the West and the EU.
Western Eurasian bloc please.
/e fixed typos, have a nice day every-one !
This post was edited by Meanwhile on Sep 7 2023 11:34pm