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Sep 7 2023 09:30pm
Quote (duffman316 @ Sep 7 2023 11:25pm)
Would've been nice if ukraines warmongering neighbour didn't invade a sovereign country eh?


Sure, that's part of it, and then there's the other side of it, where the same people that lied about WMDs have brought us to this point. But that requires an informed and objective view of history, which obviously we're not exposed to here.
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Sep 7 2023 10:20pm
Quote (colorful @ Sep 7 2023 07:18pm)
No bias take here

I am an American Russian, live in NYC, state side for 25+ years:

- American culture is completely being lost and forgotten
- quality of everything is going to shit and fast
- ok war is wrong, but bullying and forcing your will on people is worse- that’s what this country has repeatedly done not only in this case but to so many other countries in the world.
- even so many Ukrainian people that come here understand, this “help” from the US isn’t free- it’s not even wanted but forced there too. One man sold out his whole country
- sure, I’ll agree Putin is who he is- but that’s a given. The lies and corruption that I, a working class citizen am forced to pay for are much worse.

Stop looking at this as a conflict with Russia. How about all the people that are losing quality of life on all fronts? Don’t forget, someone’s loss is someone else’s win.

Proximity, meanwhile- I never agree with the stuff you say, but I read it.

Everyone else- I tend to agree and I watch content from both sides.

Everyone- it’s great we have this discussion- but understand- there are people paying for this- on all sides. Right or wrong, at the end of the day, ask yourself- how the fuck can’t we come to a resolution if we are all so intelligent? Is it because it’s more profitable not to come to a resolution? Has money/“flexing” (sorry for lack of a better term) become more valuable than life?

I doubt anyone here would really wish something bad on the other- its bad nature to wish ill on anyone. Let’s all think and maybe discuss possible solutions instead of trying to outwit the people who manipulate us.


the regime in the United States doesn't want a resolution that's why. They are purely malicious and hate the common people, clearly evident over the past 8 years and more.
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Sep 7 2023 11:17pm
Quote (colorful @ 8 Sep 2023 04:18)
No bias take here

I am an American Russian, live in NYC, state side for 25+ years:

- American culture is completely being lost and forgotten
- quality of everything is going to shit and fast
- ok war is wrong, but bullying and forcing your will on people is worse- that’s what this country has repeatedly done not only in this case but to so many other countries in the world.
- even so many Ukrainian people that come here understand, this “help” from the US isn’t free- it’s not even wanted but forced there too. One man sold out his whole country
- sure, I’ll agree Putin is who he is- but that’s a given. The lies and corruption that I, a working class citizen am forced to pay for are much worse.

Stop looking at this as a conflict with Russia. How about all the people that are losing quality of life on all fronts? Don’t forget, someone’s loss is someone else’s win.

Proximity, meanwhile- I never agree with the stuff you say, but I read it.

Everyone else- I tend to agree and I watch content from both sides.

Everyone- it’s great we have this discussion- but understand- there are people paying for this- on all sides. Right or wrong, at the end of the day, ask yourself- how the fuck can’t we come to a resolution if we are all so intelligent? Is it because it’s more profitable not to come to a resolution? Has money/“flexing” (sorry for lack of a better term) become more valuable than life?

I doubt anyone here would really wish something bad on the other- its bad nature to wish ill on anyone. Let’s all think and maybe discuss possible solutions instead of trying to outwit the people who manipulate us.



Pseudo-common ground, introduce doubt about A, A can be considered potentially wrong, A is completely wrong, B seems resonable finally, B is potentially right, B is definitely right and logically better than A.
Here: "My own survival" & "war is bad", "US culture is bad", "Ukrainians didn't really choose" & "it's a manipulation", "Both sides" & "Putin's not the real problem", "Do nothing", and so on...

It is perfectly clear that US assistance to Ukraine isn't free. Okay, so how costly is the Russian assistance to Ukraine ?

This is why I am strongly recommending you swap your seat with a guy like (hello), who can be called on frontlines anytime if Putin decides to go in full meat factory mode with a mobilization.
You will finally enjoy the "why not" of a non-American culture: not even decadent, but completely destroyed by 100 years of various purges. Lesser evil ?

Someone i know very well had a meeting with Sales (private sector, food) from the whole EU, including Russians:
I heard that russians (the people) are afraid of Putin and are afraid to talk, want Putin to stop his war and leave. They also want to join the West and the EU.

Western Eurasian bloc please.

/e fixed typos, have a nice day every-one !

This post was edited by Meanwhile on Sep 7 2023 11:34pm
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Sep 7 2023 11:39pm
Quote (colorful @ 8 Sep 2023 04:18)
No bias take here

I am an American Russian, live in NYC, state side for 25+ years:

- American culture is completely being lost and forgotten
- quality of everything is going to shit and fast
- ok war is wrong, but bullying and forcing your will on people is worse- that’s what this country has repeatedly done not only in this case but to so many other countries in the world.
- even so many Ukrainian people that come here understand, this “help” from the US isn’t free- it’s not even wanted but forced there too. One man sold out his whole country
- sure, I’ll agree Putin is who he is- but that’s a given. The lies and corruption that I, a working class citizen am forced to pay for are much worse.

Stop looking at this as a conflict with Russia. How about all the people that are losing quality of life on all fronts? Don’t forget, someone’s loss is someone else’s win.

Proximity, meanwhile- I never agree with the stuff you say, but I read it.

Everyone else- I tend to agree and I watch content from both sides.

Everyone- it’s great we have this discussion- but understand- there are people paying for this- on all sides. Right or wrong, at the end of the day, ask yourself- how the fuck can’t we come to a resolution if we are all so intelligent? Is it because it’s more profitable not to come to a resolution? Has money/“flexing” (sorry for lack of a better term) become more valuable than life?

I doubt anyone here would really wish something bad on the other- its bad nature to wish ill on anyone. Let’s all think and maybe discuss possible solutions instead of trying to outwit the people who manipulate us.


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Quote (colorful @ Sep 8 2023 03:18am)
No bias take here

I am an American Russian, live in NYC, state side for 25+ years:

- American culture is completely being lost and forgotten
- quality of everything is going to shit and fast
- ok war is wrong, but bullying and forcing your will on people is worse- that’s what this country has repeatedly done not only in this case but to so many other countries in the world.
- even so many Ukrainian people that come here understand, this “help” from the US isn’t free- it’s not even wanted but forced there too. One man sold out his whole country
- sure, I’ll agree Putin is who he is- but that’s a given. The lies and corruption that I, a working class citizen am forced to pay for are much worse.

Stop looking at this as a conflict with Russia. How about all the people that are losing quality of life on all fronts? Don’t forget, someone’s loss is someone else’s win.

Proximity, meanwhile- I never agree with the stuff you say, but I read it.

Everyone else- I tend to agree and I watch content from both sides.

Everyone- it’s great we have this discussion- but understand- there are people paying for this- on all sides. Right or wrong, at the end of the day, ask yourself- how the fuck can’t we come to a resolution if we are all so intelligent? Is it because it’s more profitable not to come to a resolution? Has money/“flexing” (sorry for lack of a better term) become more valuable than life?

I doubt anyone here would really wish something bad on the other- its bad nature to wish ill on anyone. Let’s all think and maybe discuss possible solutions instead of trying to outwit the people who manipulate us.


A majority of everyday Russians are complicit in allowing Putin to dictate.
As long as their pensions comes in they ignore the obvious tyranny.
Selfish. Ignorant. Cowards.

Here's a solution. Russians leave occupied territory.
Failing that then strap yourselves in for years if not decades of insurgency in Russia. Its a simple matter of fact.
You reap what you sow.
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Sep 8 2023 01:13am
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ 8 Sep 2023 09:01)
A majority of everyday Russians are complicit in allowing Putin to dictate.
As long as their pensions comes in they ignore the obvious tyranny.
Selfish. Ignorant. Cowards.

Here's a solution. Russians leave occupied territory.
Failing that then strap yourselves in for years if not decades of insurgency in Russia. Its a simple matter of fact.
You reap what you sow.


A majority of everyday British are complicit in the horrors of colonialism.
As long as their pensions comes in they ignore the obvious tyranny they've inflicted upon millions across the world.
Selfish. Ignorant. Cowards.

Here's a solution. Brits pay back trillions of reparations to all the countries they've pillaged and return everything they've stolen out of their museums.
Failing that then strap yourselves in for years if not decades of insurgency around the globe against them. Its a simple matter of fact.
You reap what you sow.

Dude you are making this too easy.

This post was edited by Malopox on Sep 8 2023 01:17am
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Quote (Malopox @ Sep 8 2023 08:13am)
A majority of everyday British are complicit in the horrors of colonialism.
As long as their pensions comes in they ignore the obvious tyranny they've inflicted upon millions across the world.
Selfish. Ignorant. Cowards.

Here's a solution. Brits pay back trillions of reparations to all the countries they've pillaged and return everything they've stolen out of their museums.
Failing that then strap yourselves in for years if not decades of insurgency around the globe against them. Its a simple matter of fact.
You reap what you sow.

Dude you are making this too easy.


False. Decades have past since colonialism ended.
Your coping.

Man up now and depose Putin. Less Russians perished deposing the Tsar than have died in Ukraine in 18 months.
Otherwise take your medicine and keep feeding your men into the meat grinder.

The majority of Russians are fascist cowards. Leeching off the state in exchange for their passive submission. Don't complain when an insurgency reaches your door.

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Quote (Prox1m1ty @ 8 Sep 2023 10:05)
False. Decades have past since colonialism ended.
Your coping.

Man up now and depose Putin. Less Russians perished deposing the Tsar than have died in Ukraine in 18 months.
Otherwise take your medicine and keep feeding your men into the meat grinder.

The majority of Russians are fascist cowards. Leeching off the state in exchange for their passive submission. Don't complain when an insurgency reaches your door.


False. Nothing was done to mitigate the damage done over centuries of colonialism. No reparations were made, invaluable cultural artifacts plundered were never returned.

Quote (https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2022/12/2/how-british-colonial-policy-killed-100-million-indians)
How British colonialism killed 100 million Indians in 40 years
Between 1880 to 1920, British colonial policies in India claimed more lives than all famines in the Soviet Union, Maoist China and North Korea combined.


You are coping.

Man up now and do the right thing. More Indians have perished under British colonialism (100M estimate over 40 years) rule than in any war ever in the history of the world so far including World War 2 (70-85M estimate).
Otherwise take your medicine and keep feeding lies and fake history to your men.

The majority of British are fascist cowards. Leeching off their plunder state in exchange for their passive submission. Don't complain when an insurgency reaches your door.



Dude why do you do this to yourself.

This post was edited by Malopox on Sep 8 2023 02:22am
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Quote (colorful @ Sep 8 2023 03:18am)
No bias take here

I am an American Russian, live in NYC, state side for 25+ years:

- American culture is completely being lost and forgotten
- quality of everything is going to shit and fast
- ok war is wrong, but bullying and forcing your will on people is worse- that’s what this country has repeatedly done not only in this case but to so many other countries in the world.
- even so many Ukrainian people that come here understand, this “help” from the US isn’t free- it’s not even wanted but forced there too. One man sold out his whole country
- sure, I’ll agree Putin is who he is- but that’s a given. The lies and corruption that I, a working class citizen am forced to pay for are much worse.

Stop looking at this as a conflict with Russia. How about all the people that are losing quality of life on all fronts? Don’t forget, someone’s loss is someone else’s win.

Proximity, meanwhile- I never agree with the stuff you say, but I read it.

Everyone else- I tend to agree and I watch content from both sides.

Everyone- it’s great we have this discussion- but understand- there are people paying for this- on all sides. Right or wrong, at the end of the day, ask yourself- how the fuck can’t we come to a resolution if we are all so intelligent? Is it because it’s more profitable not to come to a resolution? Has money/“flexing” (sorry for lack of a better term) become more valuable than life?

I doubt anyone here would really wish something bad on the other- its bad nature to wish ill on anyone. Let’s all think and maybe discuss possible solutions instead of trying to outwit the people who manipulate us.


The western narrative is "now is not the time to negotiate, we will not have diplomacy, no peace talks". This is on official sites, while at the same time the media reports that russia is not willing to negotiate. The fact that they can say both of these things and not get called out is utter bs. Basically the west is ignoring russian security concerns in favor of their geopolitical agenda / freedoms, which is the fundamental problem.

This post was edited by ferdia on Sep 8 2023 02:20am
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Quote (ferdia @ 8 Sep 2023 10:20)
The western narrative is "now is not the time to negotiate, we will not have diplomacy, no peace talks". This is on official sites, while at the same time the media reports that russia is not willing to negotiate. The fact that they can say both of these things and not get called out is utter bs. Basically the west is ignoring russian security concerns in favor of their geopolitical agenda / freedoms, which is the fundamental problem.


I think the elephant in the room that while all of this moral grandstanding is happening in the MSM that our resident scotsman and frenchman consume on the daily - both european and american businesses are more than happy to consume russian exports of gas, oil, metals, uranium and etc without batting an eye. I mean people are celebrating random executives being sanctioned as they help "russian state generate tax revenue" while at the same time the same people that sanction them continue paying russians outright into their accounts for their imports.

If you want to send a message - cut it cold turkey. But that never happened - not even during the Cold War. Half-assed measures with all of that moral judgement in the media look silly and cynical.

Why the US and Europe Still Buy Russian Nuclear Fuel
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/energy/2023/08/27/why-the-us-and-europe-still-buy-russian-nuclear-fuel

LME will not ban Russian metal from its system
https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/lme-will-not-ban-russian-metal-its-system-2022-11-11/

US taps big trading houses to help move price-capped Russian oil - Treasury officials reassure world’s largest commodity traders over return to shipping Russian barrels
https://www.ft.com/content/36c5367b-06f9-48e7-9867-20671665c8a7

LNG imports from Russia rise, despite cuts in pipeline gas
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/lng-imports-russia-rise-despite-cuts-pipeline-gas-2023-08-30/


Ukraine cries foul as fuels refined from Russian oil pour into the EU
https://www.politico.eu/article/ukraine-russia-fuel-oil-eu-sanction/

This post was edited by Malopox on Sep 8 2023 03:01am
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