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#34311
Sep 7 2023 06:43am
Quote (ferdia @ 7 Sep 2023 20:36)
well its a moot point, if Russia is losing they will just declare total war and conscript a million men. we are a bit aways from that still.


If the US is going to seriously consider pivoting East to f around with China.
There will be negotiations with Russia soon.

Here is a Conspiracy Theory.

You let me know if it makes sense. The Democratic Party might be thinking their chances of winning the next election is dwindling.
They are purposely lightning the flame worldwide in Ukraine and the East.

If Republicans takes over next term or Trump take over, they will have a huge situation and mess on their hands.
They cannot break faith with Ukraine and they cannot stop their escalation with China. Both circumstance have political and geo political backlash if they try to lower the risks.

Some big crap will happen, and the blame will be placed on the Republicans for a long time.

This post was edited by Hamsterbaby on Sep 7 2023 06:45am
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Sep 7 2023 06:59am
Quote (ferdia @ Sep 7 2023 02:36pm)
well its a moot point, if Russia is losing they will just declare total war and conscript a million men. we are a bit aways from that still.


Slowly but surely

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Sep 7 2023 07:09am
Quote (babun1024 @ 7 Sep 2023 12:59)
They aren't as dangerous as the bombs which were delivered prior. The only nuclear part about this one is the heavy metal used (u235 isotop) to break armor. The ones to watch out for are u238 isotops. No one ever is going to use u238 for anything but nuclear warheads or power plants, far too expensive to get and to maintain.


I can’t edit my first post about DU. Here is an UN investigation into NATO bombings of Serbia and the effect DU had on the conflict as well as threats it posed, with the benefit of hindsight.

https://documents.unoda.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/Serbia1.pdf

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Depleted uranium and its oxides pose a danger to human health primarily due to internal contamination, and to a much lesser extent due to radiation. In the zones of action where DU ammunition was used, the greatest danger is posed by finely dispersed aerosol particles of uranium oxides. Aerosol particles can enter the body by ingestion and inhalation, and also through open wounds that are a result of injuries on the battlefield.

The risk to human health from contamination with depleted uranium and its oxides exists due to the radiological and chemical toxicity of these compounds.


A better way would be to arm Ukranians with tungsten, but that’s expensive and state of the art.
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Sep 7 2023 07:14am
Quote (Djunior @ 7 Sep 2023 14:59)
Slowly but surely

https://i.imgur.com/OCJrHVT.jpg


Russians already did this for decades. During your high school you had to learn a.o. first aid, how to assemble and disassemble as well as maintain ak47, gun safety as well as visits from Chechen and Afghan veterans. Good that they are adding the basics of UAV to the curriculum.


https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9E%D1%81%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%8B_%D0%B1%D0%B5%D0%B7%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%BD%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8_%D0%B6%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B5%D1%8F%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BD%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8

Think of it as sort of Russian version of US boyscouts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boy_Scouts_of_America

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Sep 7 2023 07:38am
Quote (Malopox @ Sep 7 2023 03:09pm)
I can’t edit my first post about DU. Here is an UN investigation into NATO bombings of Serbia and the effect DU had on the conflict as well as threats it posed, with the benefit of hindsight.

https://documents.unoda.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/Serbia1.pdf



A better way would be to arm Ukranians with tungsten, but that’s expensive and state of the art.


Blown out of proportion, it is written there, radiation isn't a problem, the concentration is too low. The only thing that remains are possibly consuming heavy metals. Any old pipe used throughout all of the modern cities poses more danger than a random blown up DU munition at some remote area. Trust me, I know chemistry and physics very well :D
It's all about tolerable concentration. Most of the daily food you eat is filled with toxic stuff but in tolerable concentration.

This post was edited by babun1024 on Sep 7 2023 07:39am
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Sep 7 2023 07:42am
Quote (Malopox @ 7 Sep 2023 07:21)
More like Opération Harmattan morphing into Operation Unified Protector resulting in terrible civilian casualties, refugees, decades of devastation and open slave markets. And almost complete abandonment by the West who came to spread liberty and freedom via Tomahawks and F16s and never bothered to rebuild anything they bombed out. Please understand how that looks now in the eyes of everyone who looks at NATO hawks statements.

“Democracy” as pitched by Pentagon and Lockheed Martin is a very hard sell after all these bungled operations over the past decades that resulted in nothing but misery and death for the average guy. A gesture of goodwill would be to start big infrastructure investment programs to rebuild bombed out schools, hospitals, roads and factories at the expense of the western taxpayer who de-facto authorized these bombings. That would be a morally just thing to do.

https://i.imgur.com/eN2Pqkd.png

Not every dictatorship or authoritarian regime is inherently evil, surprising as it may sounds. Taiwan/Singapore/ South Korea have managed to morph from pretty authoritarian states into westernized globally integrated economies with general elections, politically active citizens and developed institutions.

Plenty of middle eastern countries would pretty quickly develop as well if not for decades of meddling by the French, English and the Americans. Starting from Sykes-Picot mess, to Mandate for Palestine to more modern fiascos like accidental creation of Al-Qaeda and ISIS by the CIA. Those were the chosen, the freedom fighters, the liberators, the padawan’s that turned to the dark side! Ooopsie. Gotta rewrite history and Wikipedia so people wouldn’t ask to many questions and shuffle those stories under the rug.

I see the same happening in Ukraine with collective amnesia somehow preventing MSM from drawing parallels and discussing what has transpired without regressing into simplistic propaganda along the lines of “Putin Bad! NATO Evil! Ukraine Nazis!”.

History doesn’t repeat. It rhymes.


"Let's do peace in a concentration camp" because "war is very costly and all the same"... etc cherry pick and "both sides"...

Military Invasion of Democratic and Sovereign Ukraine, so close to the EU, is simply unacceptable, and very unique.
Ukrainians faced genocide in the past are now facing crimes against humanity from almost the same entity.

Putin is aligning with the most horrible regimes on the planet: China, North Korea, Iran, Saudi arabia, etc for a reason.
- Gulag 10-20 millions people ?
- Laogai 50-80 millions people ?
It's not possible to argue about "human well being" or about "Butt hu did you see Javelin price?" after that.

What happened to freedom in Russia in the last 2 decades ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Russia
First section: "The Putin presidency"...

Russia had a revolution in 1917 ? Was it to pay luxury boats to the elite and to get jailed (or assassinated) for criticizing the Czar ?
Conclusion: How arrogant, how disrespectful, ruscism is a cancer.


Quote (Malopox @ 7 Sep 2023 14:25)
Looks like this rocket was a failed Ukranian anti-air s300 and came from their side. Sad day.
https://twitter.com/JulianRoepcke/status/1699450596149878983



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_2023_Kostiantynivka_missile_strike

In the morning of 6 September 2023 the Russian military launched a missile strike on an open market in downtown Kostiantynivka, Ukraine. The strike, which deliberately targeted civilians, left at least 17 dead, including a child, and upwards of 32 wounded

Wikipedia is lying ? Are you suggesting to use PutinPedia instead ?


Quote (Djunior @ 7 Sep 2023 14:59)
Slowly but surely

https://i.imgur.com/OCJrHVT.jpg


"North Korea is a success"
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Sep 7 2023 07:49am
Quote (babun1024 @ 7 Sep 2023 15:38)
Blown out of proportion, it is written there, radiation isn't a problem, the concentration is too low. The only thing that remains are possibly consuming heavy metals. Any old pipe used throughout all of the modern cities poses more danger than a random blown up DU munition at some remote area. Trust me, I know chemistry and physics very well :D
It's all about tolerable concentration. Most of the daily food you eat is filled with toxic stuff but in tolerable concentration.


Indeed - the radiation of u235 is less important here, but toxicity still remains an issue - especially for those that will be exposed to this ammo though handling or ingestion. I do not think that heavy metal exposure can be brushed off that easily considering that unlike previous conflicts where a burned out depot or tank in the middle of an arid desert would probably not bother many people - this time it is happening amidst the fields of grain and corn that will be consumed by humans and animals and any increase of concentration of heavy metals is proven to be detrimental to your health. Why add more?

Additionally - why did UN go at such length a dedicating a dozen of UN GA investigations and communiques on the issue of depleted uranium otherwise?
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Sep 7 2023 08:01am
Quote (Meanwhile @ Sep 7 2023 03:42pm)
"North Korea is a success"


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Sep 7 2023 08:23am
Quote (Djunior @ 7 Sep 2023 16:01)
https://i.imgur.com/YwtXyXZ.jpg


What's your country btw ? Oh, you dont want to tell us... ^_^

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Sep 7 2023 08:26am
Quote (Meanwhile @ 7 Sep 2023 15:42)
incoherent ramblings



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_2023_Kostiantynivka_missile_strike

In the morning of 6 September 2023 the Russian military launched a missile strike on an open market in downtown Kostiantynivka, Ukraine. The strike, which deliberately targeted civilians, left at least 17 dead, including a child, and upwards of 32 wounded

Wikipedia is lying ? Are you suggesting to use PutinPedia instead ?





Anyone who has ever went to a good university will tell you - that’s the first thing they teach you there - blindly trusting Wikipedia articles on hot and contested issues is not very smart as these articles are created with intent and are constantly vandalized. Ideally you want to refer to independent figures of authority who stake their reputation by making public statements or peer reviewed scientific research.

Ukranians even have a special propaganda division called CiPSO whose sole purpose is to create fakes on the internet, including Wikipedia. I believe
Goomshill
posted earlier an eerie comparison how articles about issues if nazism have changed since the invasion as they get progressively vandalized in an attempt to rewrite history.

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