Quote (dro94 @ Apr 5 2022 11:40pm)
Listen up old man, I'm 28 years old
this made me giggle.
Quote (chopstickz777 @ Apr 6 2022 12:01am)
Zelensky is trying to start ww3 since he knows it is the only thing that will save his bacon.
At the expense of the rest of the planet, of course. But clearly Ukraine's leadership feels entitled to sacrifice the world to save their petty lives.
the safest response is to quote from wiki:
<< Wiki: Zelenskyy promised to end Ukraine's protracted conflict with Russia as part of his presidential campaign, and has attempted to engage in dialogue with Russian president Vladimir Putin.[10] Zelenskyy's administration faced an escalation of tensions with Russia in 2021, culminating in the launch of an ongoing full-scale Russian invasion in February 2022. Zelenskyy's strategy during the Russian military buildup was to calm the Ukrainian populace and assure the international community that Ukraine was not seeking to retaliate.[11] He initially distanced himself from warnings of an imminent war, while also calling for security guarantees and military support from NATO to "withstand" the threat.[12] After the start of the invasion, Zelenskyy declared martial law across Ukraine and a general mobilisation of the armed forces. His leadership during the crisis has won him widespread international admiration, and he has been described as a symbol of Ukrainian resistance.
During his presidential campaign, Zelenskyy said that he supported Ukraine's becoming a member of the European Union and NATO, but he said Ukrainian voters should decide on the country's membership of these two organisations in referenda.[218] At the same time, he believed that the Ukrainian people had already chosen "eurointegration".[218][219] Zelenskyy's close advisor Ivan Bakanov also said that Zelenskyy's policy is supportive of membership of both the EU and NATO, and proposes holding referendums on membership.[220] Zelenskyy's electoral programme claimed that Ukrainian NATO membership is "the choice of the Maidan and the course that is enshrined in the Constitution, in addition, it is an instrument for strengthening our defense capability".[221] The program states that Ukraine should set the goal to apply for a NATO Membership Action Plan in 2024.[221] The programme also states that Zelenskyy "will do everything to ensure" that Ukraine can apply for European Union membership in 2024.[222] Two days before the second round, Zelenskyy stated that he wanted to build "a strong, powerful, free Ukraine, which is not the younger sister of Russia, which is not a corrupt partner of Europe, but our independent Ukraine".[223] >>
a final comment, ultimately Zelenskyy played his shit hand as best he could and far better then anyone expected. for this he should be commended. Wiki is outlining that he has survived several Russian assassination attempts. He is fighting a war of survival of his country, the West is sending weapons and food but not sending troops. Its understandable that he is aggrieved at the wests response. Like many of those in this topic and around the world he does not appear to have understood the risk associated with seeking EU and Nato membership or appreciate why the west wont send troops. I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall with his talks with the rest in the run up to this war. Overall one could say he was naive to believe western promises but its hard to fault him for seeking/aspiring to a brighter future. He is probably going demented by the wests (forced) inaction.
This post was edited by ferdia on Apr 5 2022 05:28pm