What's concerning is not the absolute number of infections they got right now, it's the growth rate.




Other than that, I totally agree. Just looking at the incidence and death curves in the UK, Israel, the US and the EU is enough to see how effective the vaccines are.

Here's my country as an example of the EU:



It can clearly be seen that the incidences during the Alpha-induced spring wave were almost as high as those of the winter wave, but the impact on deaths was blunted big time - and that was with a measly 12% first dose and 5% full vaccination rate, simply because that was already enough to protect the ultra-high risk groups aged 70+. It must be noted that our countermeasures barely changed between late December and mid-May.

In the US, where vaccination rates were higher when Alpha hit, the dampening effect was so strong that even the incidences barely went up and only left a blip on the radar:


This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jul 3 2021 05:07pm

Of course, you and I know that, but I'm talking to an anti-vax conspiracy nutter. Gotta keep it simple for the stupids.

Perhaps seeing the third chart, seeing how the vaccines squashed the Alpha-wave in spring in the US, is simple and impressive enough. With your overabundance of vaccines, you guys could have crushed Delta too if your vaccination rate hadn't stalled at just 50ish percent.
Meanwhile, in the glorious EU which completely botched the procurement of vaccines, I'm STILL waiting for my first shot.

I mean, we are basically the anti-vax capital of the world. When Wakefield was laughed out of the EU he came here and was met with open arms.

This post was edited by NetflixAdaptationWidow on Jul 3 2021 05:21pm

I'm not overly concerned for the teens, twens and most thirty-somethings in the US - but those aged 40+ who arent vaccinated are in for a rude awakening this coming winter. You can get away with being an antivaxxer in a country with high vaccine uptake, so that the vaccinated persons around you protect your superstitious ass. But at this rate, the US wont get much higher than 60%, which leaves too many suspectibles and still allows for a really big infection dynamic.

Honestly, time for a hard lesson. America needs a good plague. Now that weve had a chance to get all the reasonable people vaccinated, lets just let it spread. Gonna be a hard lesson but a necessary one.

this story bothers me somewhat for the eagerness with which people spread dangerously stupid ideas

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/feb/07/colorado-boy-dies-flu-anti-vaccine-facebook-groups

Health advocates are blaming anti-vaccine propaganda perpetuated online for the death of a four-year-old Colorado boy from the flu earlier this week.

The boy’s mother, Geneva Montoya, admitted in a Facebook post that she refused to fill the doctor’s prescription for Tamiflu, the most common antiviral medication prescribed to treat the flu.

A search by NBC News uncovered the mother’s engagement with an online group called Stop Mandatory Vaccination. The group of nearly 140,000 members, also called anti-vaxxers, is known for peddling false health information and discouraging parents from vaccinating their children.

The state health department confirmed that the preschooler died from the flu. Officials also said they have no records showing the child had been vaccinated.

Montoya’s Facebook posts show she relayed that the boy had a fever before he experienced a seizure. The child’s doctor had prescribed the antiviral medication for everyone in the household after two of Montoya’s four children were diagnosed.

“The doc prescribed tamiflu I did not pick it up,” she wrote.

Rather than medical attention, Montoya solicited unproven at-home flu treatments from fellow members of the Stop Mandatory Vaccination group. Many of the 45 comments included what Montoya called ‘“natural cures”, including lavender herbs and peppermint oil. None mentioned medical treatment.

Montoya is facing backlash for her association with the group. Najee Jackson Sr, the boy’s father, rejected the criticism, noting that the boy’s “eventual flu diagnosis came as a total surprise”.

“The negative comments: keep to yourself because, at the end of the day, what’s important is that each one of these parents goes home and kisses their kids,” he told local TV station KWGN.

According to the American Academy of Family Physicians (AAFP), parents are being increasingly influenced by anti-vaccination propaganda. Researchers found nearly 60% of parents reported their child skipped a flu shot at least once due to “misinformation or misunderstanding”.

and i am still waiting for one reason to get it, the clownshow so far continues even for vaccinated people and some politicians and their """"experts"""" are already talking about 3rd and 4th shots



america already had a plague before covid

its called obesity

how come they had to switch to "cases" to fear monger everyone?

what is the claimed death toll in percentage for the year 2020 claimed death toll/world population 2020

It is painful when you’re both simultaneously anti vax and anti treatment

Your ego should not play a role in protecting your child. Idk at what point the parent actually bright the child to the hospital, if ever, but this is neglect.

This post was edited by Bazi on Jul 3 2021 08:14pm