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#3411
Jan 11 2019 02:45pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Jan 11 2019 01:47pm)
i can agree to an extent, but still dont think bombshell applies. its an announcement of a guy testifying that we already figured would, on subjects we already knew about. Now if his lawyer said "Michael will also share information he has about the POTUS's direct ties to Russia" (presumably new info) i'd agree it's a bombshell. regardless of era this seems like a pretty mundane thing, which could yield bombshells once he actually sits before congress.


Just from a media perspective, it'll be much more significant to directly hear from Cohen about these allegations, rather than simply reading them in a news story or a court document. The clip of Michael Cohen saying that Trump directed him to commit a campaign finance violation will be played over and over again.

That said, I agree that in the times we're living in now, this isn't really a bombshell.
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#3412
Jan 12 2019 04:44am
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/11/us/politics/fbi-trump-russia-inquiry.html

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WASHINGTON — In the days after President Trump fired James B. Comey as F.B.I. director, law enforcement officials became so concerned by the president’s behavior that they began investigating whether he had been working on behalf of Russia against American interests, according to former law enforcement officials and others familiar with the investigation.

The inquiry carried explosive implications. Counterintelligence investigators had to consider whether the president’s own actions constituted a possible threat to national security. Agents also sought to determine whether Mr. Trump was knowingly working for Russia or had unwittingly fallen under Moscow’s influence.

The investigation the F.B.I. opened into Mr. Trump also had a criminal aspect, which has long been publicly known: whether his firing of Mr. Comey constituted obstruction of justice.

Agents and senior F.B.I. officials had grown suspicious of Mr. Trump’s ties to Russia during the 2016 campaign but held off on opening an investigation into him, the people said, in part because they were uncertain how to proceed with an inquiry of such sensitivity and magnitude. But the president’s activities before and after Mr. Comey’s firing in May 2017, particularly two instances in which Mr. Trump tied the Comey dismissal to the Russia investigation, helped prompt the counterintelligence aspect of the inquiry, the people said.


I guess my gut reacton is "no shit sherlock", but still somewhat remarkable to read a headline like that in the New York Times.

So, a couple things...

1. The fact that the FBI waited so long to open up an inquiry into Trump himself sort of undercuts all the spygate and deep state nonsense. They understood how serious it would be to directly investigate a presidential candidate, and then a president.
2. While the Russia investigation had been ongoing for months, it wasn't until post-Comey that the FBI felt it had to directly investigate Trump. I think this undercuts the Steele dossier theory of collusion, because you'd think if Trump was in that deep with Russians, the FBI would've found something(while investigating Flynn, Manafort, Page, Papadopoulos) to give them cause to open an investigation into Trump.
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#3413
Jan 12 2019 06:04am


My perspective is thoroughly explained here. Essentially the MIC has infiltrated the media for decades and Russiagate is an establishment attack on an elected outsider.
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#3414
Jan 12 2019 06:23am
Quote (nineinchnailz @ 12 Jan 2019 13:04)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62c1ivFkwN8

My perspective is thoroughly explained here. Essentially the MIC has infiltrated the media for decades and Russiagate is an establishment attack on an elected outsider.


Enjoy the show.

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Jan 12 2019 06:29am
Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Jan 12 2019 07:23am)
Enjoy the show.

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If you watch the video it backs up the perspective with fact.
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#3416
Jan 12 2019 06:32am
Quote (nineinchnailz @ Jan 12 2019 06:29am)
If you watch the video it backs up the perspective with fact.


Cliff's Notes that shit. Ain't nobody got time to watch a 90 minute YT video just to get your perspective.
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#3417
Jan 12 2019 06:34am
Quote (Surfpunk @ Jan 12 2019 04:32am)
Cliff's Notes that shit. Ain't nobody got time to watch a 90 minute YT video just to get your perspective.



90 minutes? You gotta watch the 392 episodes before it to really get woke my friend
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Jan 12 2019 06:35am
Quote (nineinchnailz @ Jan 12 2019 07:04am)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62c1ivFkwN8

My perspective is thoroughly explained here. Essentially the MIC has infiltrated the media for decades and Russiagate is an establishment attack on an elected outsider.


You'll have to articulate your perspective through words, because nobody is going to waste time watching that.

Saying "Russiagate is an establishment attack on an elected outsider" doesn't really start a conversation either. It's just a simplistic summary with no specifics.

Here's a start to a conversation: Trump employed Carter Page, a man who the FBI thought may be a Russian spy in 2013/2014. Trump employed Paul Manafort, the political adviser to Viktor Yanukovych, the pro-Russian leader of Ukraine. Paul Manafort owed Oleg Deripaska, a Russian oligarch close to Putin, 20 million dollars. Paul Manafort met with Konstantin Kilimnik, a Russian who worked with/for GRU in the past, multiple times during the campaign and transition. Trump employed George Papadopoulos, who heard from Joseph Mifsud that the Russians had damaging Hillary Clinton emails, and blabbed about it to an Australian diplomat in London. Trump employed Mike Flynn, who discussed sanctions with the Russian ambassador during the transition, and then less than a month later, lied about it to the FBI.

That's just a few pieces of evidence... if you actually follow Russiagate there's plenty more.

So, please explain away every fact I just laid out. Explain how it would be appropriate for the FBI to ignore those facts after it was revealed the Russians hacked the DNC and gave the emails to Wikileaks.

This post was edited by IceMage on Jan 12 2019 06:36am
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#3419
Jan 12 2019 07:24am
Lots of people listen to podcasts. Listen while you game, work, drive, exercise. Somehow Rogan gets downloaded with 3 hour shows.
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#3420
Jan 12 2019 07:37am
Quote (nineinchnailz @ Jan 12 2019 07:24am)
Lots of people listen to podcasts. Listen while you game, work, drive, exercise. Somehow Rogan gets downloaded with 3 hour shows.


Can't articulate a position, then take it to the YT thread.
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