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Sep 4 2023 04:26pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ Sep 4 2023 11:16pm)
haha good correction thx



Hungary IMO is acting and has been acting in it's own interests, not something you can say for most European countries' politicians. They're not friendly towards Russia because they are somehow subservient to Russia, they are just pragmatic, very similar to India.

Why should Hungary go pay more for natural resources they need when they can be sourced from Russia?


completely agree here but well, you might drive some people around here demented with this reasonable observation! :P
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Sep 4 2023 05:26pm
Shoigu need 200.000 men to be mobilized by November 1 ? This document could be a fake... or not.




Quote (Prox1m1ty @ 4 Sep 2023 21:16)
Thats not an accurate description. Hungary is not sitting on the fence, Hungary can no longer even see the fence.

"With around 80 percent of its natural gas and 65 percent of oil coming from Russia, Hungary does have genuine supply concerns, but Orban has been deliberately increasing his dependency on Russian energy for years despite saying his country would work to wean itself off excessive reliance on Russian gas as late as 2018. In 2014, Budapest struck a controversial deal with Moscow to expand the country’s Paks Nuclear Power Plant, an agreement that was shrouded in secrecy and not put out to tender.
Orban’s courtship also appears linked to a desire to protect Hungarian assets in Russia, especially those linked to the MOL Group, the country’s leading oil and gas company, and the OTP bank, both of which are run by wealthy Hungarians sympathetic to Fidesz. When French car manufacturer Renault departed from Russia, it had to sell its holdings in a Russian car company for a symbolic, and worthless, 1 ruble."

If Merkel overexposed the German economy to an authoritarian Russia, which she undoubtedly did; Then Orban has gone a step further. Putting his political priorities first and essentially making Hungary a vassal of Russia while Orban is in power.
A similar fate could befall Austria. Kremlin slush money still flows to right wing opposition parties there.



It's pretty clear that Orban actively collaborated with the russian regime to increase his own personal network & influence. With a touch of "Grand Hungary" .
Selling the ass of his country in the process... And then we can watch the local western ruscists and their huskies congratulating themselves about this sad show like it was a "great move" or something :lol:

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How likely is it that we will see Europe deporting refugees to an active war zone where they will be turned into slave soldiers?
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Quote (ownyaah @ Sep 4 2023 11:02pm)
How likely is it that we will see Europe deporting refugees to an active war zone where they will be turned into slave soldiers?


Maybe not refugees but I could imagine a situation where EU countries start deporting Ukrainians who fled the country illegally after Zelensky banned men from leaving.

I'm not sure what the process entails but refugee status can be revoked as well so if it came to that I would imagine the status would be revoked before they were deported

https://www.dw.com/en/how-ukrainian-men-try-to-get-around-the-ban-to-leave-the-country/a-62529639

This article has some interesting details on different ways men tried to leave the country after the ban, just as an example they talk about men who bought fake medical certificates saying they were not fit to serve, if Ukraine or the host country came across info that invalidated those certificates those people could be sent back quite easily I would think, with public support even.

I think it would be a bad idea but would probably work in the short term at least.
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Sep 4 2023 11:16pm
Quote (ownyaah @ Sep 4 2023 09:02pm)
How likely is it that we will see Europe deporting refugees to an active war zone where they will be turned into slave soldiers?


https://www.kyivpost.com/post/21242

Very likely. Isn't there some internation accord or war crime clause for deporting refugees back to be cannon fodder? Doubtless if Russia and its aligned countries were doing it, we'd never hear the end of it. Between Ukraine being desperate enough for manpower they're turning to the EU to deport refugees, the huge turnover in supposed military leadership (if you're to believe they had any autonomy in the first place) and the imminent mud season while the counteroffensive stalls- it all paints a grim picture.
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Sep 4 2023 11:28pm
Quote (ownyaah @ Sep 5 2023 03:02am)
How likely is it that we will see Europe deporting refugees to an active war zone where they will be turned into slave soldiers?


*Active special miltary operation with limited scope zone.

Interesting question but please be consistent when framing.
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Sep 5 2023 12:23am
Does anyone here have a decent grasp of international law in regards to conflicts/wars?

I was reading that neither Russia nor Ukraine have formally declared war against each other, would this affect a refugees status? Is there a distinction between someone fleeing "conflict" vs "war"?

Apart from that, what other benefits does not being officially at war grant either Russia or Ukraine? I assume for Ukraine it affects foreign investment/trade and the transfer of weapons for "self defense" vs "weapons of war"

For Russia I assume it has something to do with in house PR, the government wants to be seen as fighting NATO and nazis and not "real" Ukrainians. Maybe some benefit for Russia in investment and trade as well?

It isn't something I can find much information about so would appreciate any insight people might have

I think you mentioned working in international trade of some sort, any ideas how a country being officially at war would affect things in your industry?

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“We are well aware of the concerns and accusations about this crime. Therefore, we are investigating this step by step. At the moment, we do not have sufficient available evidence that would meet the legal qualification provided for by the Genocide Convention. You remember that this is a question of intent, the intent of the perpetrators. There must be a “need” to destroy a certain group. And such destruction, according to the Convention, must be physical or biological. These are the strict conditions (for the recognition of genocide – ed.) that have been confirmed by judicial practice,” said Erik Møse, chairman of the UN Independent International Commission of Inquiry on Violations in Ukraine.


https://gwaramedia.com/en/we-didn-t-find-genocide-in-ukraine-un-commissioner-erik-mose-says/
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from your source:

Jasminka Džumhur, a representative of the UN Independent International Commission of Inquiry on Violations in Ukraine, said that some of Russia’s actions led to the conclusion that a crime against humanity may have been committed. In particular, she mentioned the systematic attacks on Ukraine’s energy infrastructure in this context.

“This affects people’s lives, healthcare facilities, and children’s access to education. It has a serious impact on mental health. These were systematic attacks on infrastructure. These two elements lead us to the conclusion that a crime against humanity may have occurred.

When we talk about torture, we also recognize that the resources, places and organization allocated to it lead us to the conclusion that a crime against humanity may have been committed,” said Jasminka Džumhur.


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