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Apr 5 2022 12:01pm
Quote (dro94 @ Apr 5 2022 12:52pm)
Gas is a lot trickier to replace than oil, Russia has a 25% global market share

We will have to use Iran a lot more going forward, there is no medium - long term alternative


ur mom makes big gas in she sleep, give she many ambien, profit.
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Apr 5 2022 12:14pm
Quote (dro94 @ Apr 5 2022 01:52pm)
Gas is a lot trickier to replace than oil, Russia has a 25% global market share

We will have to use Iran a lot more going forward, there is no medium - long term alternative


Easier said than done. Iran is also an aspiring regional power with less than noble ambitions. The Jews aren't going to sit idly by as Europe enriches their arch nemesis. Nor will the Arabs take that type of move too well. So then what do you do with unhappy Arab monarch allies who account for so much oil exports?
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So then what do you do with unhappy Arab monarch allies who account for so much oil exports?


Throw them all under the bus, of course.

Do it until they start switching allegiance to Russia and China, that is.

It makes a little more sense when you realize that collapsing the global economy and disrupting supply chains *is* the goal.

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Apr 5 2022 12:22pm
edit: wrong thread

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Quote (fender @ 5 Apr 2022 17:23)
pard's pootin lovers in a nutshell:

https://i.imgur.com/ToZCpw2.mp4

dumb af, completely brainwashed with propaganda


And they have the same thing in Russia ... :o

Quote (dro94 @ 5 Apr 2022 17:52)
Gas is a lot trickier to replace than oil, Russia has a 25% global market share

We will have to use Iran a lot more going forward, there is no medium - long term alternative


What's fascinating is situation can quickly drascically change if putin is removed, by any luck.

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Quote (chopstickz777 @ Apr 5 2022 07:22pm)
edit: wrong thread


its fine, a bit off topic is not terrible for a thread.
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Apr 5 2022 12:25pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ 5 Apr 2022 13:05)
Gas imports from Russia measured at the Velke station close to 1 year highs

https://twitter.com/JavierBlas/status/1510881828474957827


Of course, lol. It's spring, gas storages are low. If (!) we want to issue an embargo on Russian gas, we obviously want to do it when our storages are chock-full.

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What do you think Germany is going to ultimately do (or be asked to and do, by the EU) re: gas from Russia? I personally do not have the faintest idea on this. what's the current state on this issue and what is expected to happen over the next couple of weeks ? any guesses are welcome.

Is it that Putin is looking to remove the entire block (EU) from russian gas ( a scenario bad for putin and bad for the eu ) or is it that he wants to remove certain countries from russian gas (less dire and if possible probably better for putin). i read on Reuters that he cant re-distribute the gas elsewhere, say the mdidle east or china, noting the fields/pipes are not interconnected.


That is exactly what I've been saying here in this thread a couple of days ago. ;)


What Germany wants to do is phase out Russian gas over the next 1-3 years and only then stop buying it from Russia. The longer we can stall a gas embargo, the less catastrophic the economic fallout. Cutting off Russian gas right now would be devastating and foolish, as I already explained in great detail. What will actually happen though? I have no idea. I hope our government stays the course and doesn't cave in to the pressure.

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Apr 5 2022 12:32pm
The world will have to get off oil and gas completely eventually.

Conservatives would hate me for saying it, but recklessly destroying the atmosphere isn't getting us anywhere.

Speaking of off topic, once upon a time there was a civilization called Atlantis. This civilization was gifted technical knowledge regarding crystal technology, which allowed them to create the most advanced civilization of the time and basically generate infinite power at no cost to the environment.

But due to the warlike tendency of man, naturally they used this technology to create weapons and eventually waged war on themselves, sinking their whole continent. Supposedly the oddities caused around the Bermuda triangle are caused by an underwater pyramid which belonged to this old civilization.

It's a story as old as time, far from being unique to this planet. Until we can figure out how to live in harmony it won't be possible to adopt more advanced technology. Anything that can be used to generate power can be converted to weaponry, with a few exceptions, but those exceptions aren't good enough to power the whole planet either, leaving us at an impasse.

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The world will have to get off oil and gas completely eventually.

Conservatives would hate me for saying it, but recklessly destroying the atmosphere isn't getting us anywhere.

True. But this does not mean that we should already enshrine a timeline for the complete decarbonization before the technologies to replace fossils with even exist. Renewables still cannot provide base load in the power grid. The worldwide uranium supplies are not sufficient to last us more than 10-20 years if the whole world drastically expanded its use of nuclear energy. Nuclear power is a key bridge technology, but it is not a long-term solution.


To get back on topic a bit more: what is Russia gonna do when the world gets off oil and gas? That's quite literally all their economy has to offer. Sales of arms, wood and mail brides aren't gonna sustain a nation of 140 million.

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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Apr 5 2022 07:41pm)
True. But this does not mean that we should already enshrine a timeline for the complete decarbonization before the technologies to replace fossils with even exist. Renewables still cannot provide base load in the power grid. The worldwide uranium supplies are not sufficient to last us more than 10-20 years if the whole world drastically expanded its use of nuclear energy. Nuclear power is a key bridge technology, but it is not a long-term solution.


To get back on topic a bit more: what is Russia gonna do when the world gets off oil and gas? That's quite literally all their economy has to offer. Sales of arms, wood and mail brides aren't gonna sustain a nation of 140 million.


I think Elon Musk had a funny interview about China a few years ago. i will see if i can find it. re: power.



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