Fourth officer who responded to January 6 attack dies by apparent suicide

They Epsteining everyone who might talk
Source: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/gunther-hashida-death-by-suicide-capitol-police-officer/

We can safely add this to the list of inside jobs/hoaxes with 9/11, Syria.

This post was edited by SunnyvaleTrailerPark on Aug 2 2021 10:21pm

I mean, in the Goodman scenario, the doors were wide open and if the crowd turned the other way, they'd have unfettered access to the VP and all the Senators. That obviously would have been a disaster and it's a hypothetical that we should never have to think about. As for going home peacefully, what else did you expect them to do? Remember, MOST (95%+) of the rioters simply got caught up in the moment. They felt like they accomplished something, had their 15 minutes of fame, and then went home. The insurrectionists (i.e. zip tie guy), on the other hand, failed in their objective so they had no choice but to leave. They simply didn't have the numbers or the fervor of the crowd on their side. At the end of the day, these people are pathetic, incompetent, and foolish. That doesn't mean we shouldn't use this as a wake up call and patch up the weaknesses in our security.

Here is an example of a woman who I'd consider a protestor and possibly even a rioter (not an insurrectionist): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yr1o8fnjNN8
Like...this is just how dumb some of these people are. They are announcing their fucking names, where they are from, and why they are there. This is what happens when you are the anti-intellectual party for decades.

I don't think you can get around the fact that there needs to be an investigation because we obviously don't want it to happen again. The unfortunate reality is that this was a political event and the head of the Republican party (Trump) was one of the primary causes of the violence. Even if God himself did the investigation, the Republicans would HAVE to find fault with the investigation because they stand the most to lose and politics is a zero sum game. I agree that it'd be nice to not have political theater but that's simply impossible.

Russiagate was legitimately bad and became too political. Obviously the notion that Trump was an evil mastermind colluding with Putin is a liberal fantasy but we shouldn't let partisan narratives distract us from the facts. I think too many people conflated Trump, the individual, with the "Trump Campaign." One could argue that the buck should stop with him but that's beyond the scope of the Jan 6 discussion. As for officer Sicknick, can you find me an article after the coroner's report that says that he was murdered?

It seems to me that you're more concerned with spin than actual events and I think you're better than that. There's no need to over-correct and downplay awful things.

No one disagrees with that. No one in their right mind wants the FBI and the DoJ to stop investigating the events of that day. Where people disagree is if we need a Congressional probe into Jan 6 on top of that although it's crystal clear that such an investigation will be inherently political and invevitably politicized.


Support for a Congressional probe among independents has fallen 13 points from June to July according to a recent Morning Consult poll, an even steeper drop than among Republicans:



It's not a risky bet to predict that overall support will break down exactly along the usual 51-48 partisan lines by the time this committee wraps up.

The Bolshevik revolution took years of groundwork. The development of the Soviets, the takeover of key strategic points within St.Petersburg, and precipitated by a planned, mass uprising (~10,000+) among the soldiery. Crowds that get excited and riot do not revolutions make. The 2016 Turkish coup d'état was very minor, historically speaking, and yet it involved tens of thousands of soldiers, tanks, guns, warships, and planes. There was a legitimate conspiracy to seize state power and capture/depose Erdogan. If the FBI has evidence of that in this situation, they should come forward immediately and make us aware. But a few provocateurs in a crowd, without firearms or other necessary weapons, is a riot, not a coup.

If the FBI does come forward, and can show the necessary evidence for the bold, then the death penalty is appropriate. The fact that Nancy Pelosi is using her commission time to support conspiracies re: Sicknick's death makes me think it's unlikely to be the case.

if they came with guns they'd have been repelled with guns.

what a stupid thing to even suggest, the state has the monopoly of force and superior firepower.

ive stated over and over i dont support the investigation by congress and that its overly politicized, so you're strawmanning and not listening on top of being obtuse.



and i want them arrested too, strawman whataboutism is really low intellectually even for you mental midget such as yourself.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Aug 3 2021 06:09am

Normally, I'd agree, but with regard to Jan 6 specifically, this argument sells short how close we came to a really fucking dire situation. The violent insurrectionists among the crowd of rioters came damn close to taking members of Congress hostage. From there, no one knows how the situation would have unfolded.

The attempts at overthrowing the results of the 2020 election would all of a sudden have looked a lot more likely to succeed, so would Trump supporters across the country have stood up to reject the blatantly anti-democratic attempts, or would they have taken to the streets to egg on their champions in the Capitol? How would local and state level Republicans have reacted? Would they have stood with democracy and against violence, or would they have tried to seize power? Truth be told, it's fucking appalling that we even have to think about bleak scenarios like these.

A few provocateurs who successfully capture one of the most vulnerable and crucial strategic objectives in the country can spur an entirely different dynamic than "foolish hangers-on taking a mostly peaceful stroll through the Capitol". That a bunch of rednecks and dimwits without preparation or organization came this close to triggering something even more dark should be a wake-up call.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Aug 3 2021 06:30am

Yes would they have cheered if they kidnapped and hit Pelosi with a gavel I mean flagpole? or would they have finally said. "thats too far"
I think there is that x %? of R that have gone so far into the maga/q cult that they are non returnable Americans. They will forever be nut jobs, and why downplay this attempt? Because you support the cause?

I really don't know the answer to these questions that you quoted in my previous post. Say the militant protestors take members of Congress hostage and then really make good on their promise to "hang Mike Pence" (and Pelosi for good measure) - which percent of the crowd and of the Trump supporters across the country would turn away in disgust and which share is willing to go along? And how would Trump have reacted? Would there have come any point at which his conscience kicks in? I genuinely don't know...

During the storming of the Capitol, there were a few critical moments when bad faith actors with the intent to overturn the election and the willingness to use any means necessary for this goal had the opportunity to trigger some sort of short-lived civil war on American streets. Therefore, the argument that the insurrectionists among the crowd of rioters were only a tiny minority and never had a real shot at overthrowing democracy in lasting fashion kinda misses the mark. On that day, Trump as well as his most militant supporters were really playing with fire while sitting on a powder keg.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Aug 3 2021 09:33am

only thing that got disrupted was the alternate electors. wasnt that convenient.

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This post was edited by TiStuff on Aug 3 2021 09:44am

A riot in the Capitol building is ipso facto a very dire situation. Any number of things could have gone wrong, and far more people could have been seriously hurt. But I haven't seen evidence that "violent insurrectionists... came damn close to taking members of Congress hostage". Perhaps you can point me to a source that lays out that evidence in a comprehensive manner. Congress was and is defended by men with guns. The rioters had no guns, nor seemingly made any serious effort to find, kill, or abduct lawmakers. "Zip tie" man took the zip ties off a police officer, discrediting the notion that he brought them to the Capitol as part of a scheme to abduct lawmakers. The FBI has made every attempt to locate EVERYONE who was present at the riot, down to the last misdemeanor. They've offered deals specifically tailored towards extracting information about militias / organizations that might have been involved in a wider plot. Suffice to say, if there was a plot to abduct or kill lawmakers, they would have found it, or will find it very soon.

As for "what ifs", over 70% of voters in the immediate aftermath opposed what took place. Add in people who have no idea what is going on, and you have a population of less than 20% that say they somewhat supported or strongly supported what went on. Of those, how many would support abducting lawmakers? We can cut out the "somewhat support" and estimate is as some small fraction of ~14%. Governments are overthrown either by extremely powerful, vested interests (i.e. by people who control the military and / or intelligence services), or by mass mobilization techniques. Neither was remotely the case here.