The officer body cams submitted yesterday show at least one of them who was on top realizing he passed out and needed to be rolled into the proper recovery position. Chauvin dismisses the request from his own team, fire dept, and by standards. Third degree manslaughter is applicable, at least by MNs definition. Particularly the depraved mind, without regard for human life component and duration of the hold given context of the scene...

This post was edited by RedFromWinter on Apr 1 2021 05:02am

First, there is no "third degree manslaughter". My assumption is that you're referring to the Third Degree Murder charge. There's a problem there. The first thing that you have to prove is that Chauvin caused Floyd to die. The coroner ruled that the self-ingested mixture of a lethal dose of fentanyl plus methamphetamines caused Floyd to die. In other words, Floyd killed Floyd. So third degree murder, which is essentially murder with a complete lack of intent, is also missing.

Your primary concern here is going to be proving any form of "murder" whatsoever. Floyd ingested lethal doses of illegal drugs in order to dodge a possession charge. The overdose caused him to die. Nobody else forced or asked him to do so. This is a case of personal responsibility being removed, and police being blamed for the action of a criminal.

The absolute closest you could get to any realistic charge based on the evidence would be criminally negligent manslaughter. But there's a problem there: It's not the officer's job to save the suspect from the suspect's overdose. It's the officer's job to protect the public from the suspect. The only way it would be criminally negligent manslaughter if if Chauvin was a trained medic, and had allowed Floyd to die rather than carry out his duty to save him.

Yes I meant murder.

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Your points have merit, but unfortunately don't fit the timeline very well as it's been established in court. Chauvins knee was placed while the suspect was alive, but not well. Then taken away 7 minutes 46 seconds later when he was dead. It's rather convenient for your argument that he OD within that window of time. I haven't seen evidence that he munched a bunch of drugs moments before police, he looked high a long while before and during, then anxiety when gun pointed at him. Def not well, but alive. My 2 cents

This post was edited by RedFromWinter on Apr 1 2021 07:28am

Don't get me wrong mate... I'm not saying the judgement may not go your way. I'm simply expressing that I don't see it the same way you do, and telling you why.

It may very well be that they get both the second and third degree murder AND the manslaughter charge to stick. I simply don't know. I'm merely giving you my opinion, for all it's lack of worth, based on the available facts.

Edit: Note that if I lived there and were called for jury duty, I would honestly tell them at that late stage that I was biased and did not believe that Chauvin was guilty of anything, and would be predisposed to an innocent verdict. Not going to lie, the defense would love me, and the prosecutors would dismiss me. If you'd asked the day of the video, when I predicted riots and accused Chauvin of murder, it'd have been a 180. I'm not perfect, I certainly make mistakes. But regarding this trial? I'm just glad I'm both too biased and too predisposed to an opinion to qualify to be a juror (as well as living in the wrong region).

This post was edited by InsaneBobb on Apr 1 2021 07:20am

https://www.hennepin.us/-/media/hennepinus/residents/public-safety/documents/floyd-autopsy-6-3-20.pdf

where in this report does it say drug overdose was the cause of death? perhaps im missing it. there is a tox report, but i dont see the coroner make that claim.

Your fast, I retro edit thoughts into my prior post.

This post was edited by RedFromWinter on Apr 1 2021 07:42am

Okay, several things.

1. You should not have posted that if you believe Chauvin did something wrong.
2. You probably don't understand toxicology in any way, shape, or form if you believe that report does not show a drug overdose.
3. Derp.

So first:

1. Fentanyl 11 ng/mL

7ng/mL is the minimal "lethal dose". 10ng/mL is the "Will kill the human bear."

We can discuss the norfentanyl or not as you choose, but suffice it to say, the basic toxicology report states he died of a drug overdose.

Now, let's move on to why he did NOT die from homicide:





AKA, the neck is free of evidence of asphixiation, the lungs are free of evidence of compression. No murder to see, but absolute overdose levels of toxicology.

Any further questions?



I don't know that I have or am willing to give a response to your edit. It's not that your edit doesn't have merit, merely that it deals with circumstantial details that do not take the autopsy into account. *shrug* Just trying to stick to the facts. Frankly, I don't care that Floyd is dead, and I don't care if Chauvin burns. Whatever happens happens. I'm more of the opinion that upholding law and order is important, and I think this case somewhat violates that principle.

This post was edited by InsaneBobb on Apr 1 2021 07:42am

Those numbers are a good guide or frame of reference, but each individual person will have a different tolerance before they OD, many factors such as prior usage, size, diet, activity will determine it. It would be good for the defense* to align symptoms of OD up with the timeline.

This post was edited by RedFromWinter on Apr 1 2021 07:51am

Sure, case by case basis. But the coroner report is very clear that it wasn't related to asphyxiation or compression of the lungs. So what else then? Did he have a random heart attack unrelated to anything else?

Note: If you say yes, such as "it was the stress of the situation" that removes all validity of the "knee on the neck" narrative. I'm asking for a plausible explanation here, not empathy. I lost my empathy for this case after the 30th murder that was "justified" by this case.



I am 100% unconcerned about initial ME reports, be they family-hired or otherwise. The coroner's report has full details. They dissect the fucking body and analyze everything. If you have a scientific basis detailing why I should believe anything other than the coroner's report, please say so now, or shut the fuck up.

This post was edited by InsaneBobb on Apr 1 2021 07:58am