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Nov 15 2019 10:36am
Quote (cambovenzi @ Nov 15 2019 07:20am)
Disgruntled former ambassador boring everyone to death with nothing relevant

"How did that make you feel?" This isn't supposed to be a therapy session
Now asking about her reactions to tweets.. ffs..

Who remembers when the secret basement hearings supporters here said everything would be revealed in these public sham hearings?
Whistleblower testimony banned. All witnesses requested by Republicans banned.

Anyone willing to change their tune and condemn Shifty Schiff and recognize the partisan and truth-disinterested nature of these hearings?


I do! And guess what? I was right. EVERY deposition behind closed doors has been released to the public. You're watching additional testimony on TV right now.

Some of the Republican witnesses ARE testifying/have testified so I don't know what you're talking about there. Where are you getting your information? You're missing some pretty substantial facts...

As for the whistle-blower, your side has continued to shit on "hearsay" testimony. He wasn't involved in implementing policy like Yovanovitch, Kent, Volker, etc. He didn't have direct conversations with the President like Sondland has. The whistle-blower simply heard troubling information and reported it. It's no different than someone calling an anonymous hotline because they heard from their friend Tyrone that Jamal capped Terrell for fucking Shaniqua. What information do you WANT from the whistle-blower and how is it relevant to Trump's alleged crimes?

IceMage and I have both pointed out that Schiff is a hack. Everyone knows this. The difference here is that the evidence is so overwhelming. I can't believe that you'd want Trump to get away with this knowing that a future President Warren/Sanders/AOC could do something similar. We MUST have red lines for acceptable behavior by the President so that it doesn't happen again.
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Nov 15 2019 10:39am
Quote (Ghot @ 15 Nov 2019 17:32)
Well now I know why nothing ever gets done in Congress. One hour of work and almost an hour of recess, and the day's hearing just got started. LOL
Btw, for any that didn't know... the LIVE broadcast: https://www.reuters.com/live-events/trump-impeachment-hearings-id2908952


I cant follow this now, let me past this tho:


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Lies, false statements, disgusting manners, gross, this guy is the definition of DEGENERACY.
He got literally raped by putin, kim jong, erdogan etc.... And still barking about foreign policy.

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Nov 15 2019 10:40am
So, Yovanovitch's testimony so far... can be summarized as follows:


"I thoroughly disagree with the approach and the goals of Trump's foreign policy"
"Trump fired me for no good reason"

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Nov 15 2019 10:44am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Nov 15 2019 11:40am)
So, Yovanovitch's testimony so far... can be summarized as follows:


"I thoroughly disagree with the approach and the goals of Trump's foreign policy"
"Trump fired me for no good reason"




Pretty much. :)

That and I want to be able to sue for false termination, and I'm a lesbian feminist as well.


/e I means after 33 years as an ambassador, you'd think she'd know that ambassadors are appointed or removed at the president's discretion. :)

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Nov 15 2019 10:44am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Nov 15 2019 11:40am)
So, Yovanovitch's testimony so far... can be summarized as follows:

"I thoroughly disagree with the approach and the goals of Trump's foreign policy"
"Trump fired me for no good reason"


The bold is false. She has made completely clear that she agreed with the stated policy goals of the US government.
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Nov 15 2019 10:46am
Quote (IceMage @ Nov 15 2019 11:44am)
The bold is false. She has made completely clear that she agreed with the stated policy goals of the US government.


Uh, that's not how you spell President Trump.

/e Not only that, but it seems she has failed to mention... WHICH US govt. The current one, or the Obama version. ^^




Biden with Obama's approval got Shokin fired because he was prosecuting the gas company that Hunter Biden worked for.
It seems Yovanovitch was protecting Obama and Biden and their actions, which is probably why she got fired. We don't have "proof" of this.... yet. But then again no Republicans have gotten a chance to question the witness.

Although, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this out.




/ee Wow! It IS a reality TV show... they took down the first placard and put up a new one...











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Nov 15 2019 11:19am
Quote (thundercock @ Nov 15 2019 12:36pm)
I do! And guess what? I was right. EVERY deposition behind closed doors has been released to the public. You're watching additional testimony on TV right now.

Some of the Republican witnesses ARE testifying/have testified so I don't know what you're talking about there. Where are you getting your information? You're missing some pretty substantial facts...

As for the whistle-blower, your side has continued to shit on "hearsay" testimony. He wasn't involved in implementing policy like Yovanovitch, Kent, Volker, etc. He didn't have direct conversations with the President like Sondland has. The whistle-blower simply heard troubling information and reported it. It's no different than someone calling an anonymous hotline because they heard from their friend Tyrone that Jamal capped Terrell for fucking Shaniqua. What information do you WANT from the whistle-blower and how is it relevant to Trump's alleged crimes?

IceMage and I have both pointed out that Schiff is a hack. Everyone knows this. The difference here is that the evidence is so overwhelming. I can't believe that you'd want Trump to get away with this knowing that a future President Warren/Sanders/AOC could do something similar. We MUST have red lines for acceptable behavior by the President so that it doesn't happen again.


I am talking about the Republican list that Schiff condemned and prevented from testifying. He is in control of these sham hearings and decides who is allowed to testify.
This would seem to indicate that it is you and not I that is missing substantial facts.

A CIA/DNC operative reporting hearsay and colluding with the head of the intelligence committee to protect Biden and undermine and remove the president of the United States is a little different from an old lady calling an anonymous hotline to report street crime. Eric CIAmeralla is also a material witness that worked for Biden AND as the 'Ukraine director on the National Security Council (NSC) during the end of the Obama administration'. How and from whom he received the information is relevant too.

Evidence of what is overwhelming? Asking Ukraine to investigate corruption? Sure. Schiff lying about classified information? That too.
The quid pro quo bonanza is muddied waters. I dont think i need to rehash all of the talking points in this response.
There is no current evidence that Trump asked Ukraine to fabricate evidence as Schiff falsely claimed.
Running for president shouldn't make you and your family immune from investigation for corruption.

The person you call a 'hack' and bad actor who is leading these hearings will not permit relevant and pertinent truths to come out.

This is not to say that i am claiming Trump is innocent, in this or in general. I am open to any possibilities, have extremely low expectations of politicians and have studied enough relevant history to know they regularly engage in heinous and unscrupulous acts. Sometimes we don't find out until its declassified 50 years later, after all of the guilty parties are typically deceased.

Possibility for wrongdoing doesn't make sham hearings controlled by a particularly bad actor a good idea.
An honest pursuit of truth would demand hearing from the defense and witnesses the inquisitor might not find politically convenient.
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Nov 15 2019 11:22am
Quote (IceMage @ Nov 15 2019 12:44pm)
The bold is false. She has made completely clear that she agreed with the stated policy goals of the US government.

The Hill published an article for you


https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/470420-the-president-not-diplomats-sets-official-foreign-policy
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Nov 15 2019 12:02pm
Quote (cambovenzi @ Nov 15 2019 09:19am)
I am talking about the Republican list that Schiff condemned and prevented from testifying. He is in control of these sham hearings and decides who is allowed to testify.
This would seem to indicate that it is you and not I that is missing substantial facts.

A CIA/DNC operative reporting hearsay and colluding with the head of the intelligence committee to protect Biden and undermine and remove the president of the United States is a little different from an old lady calling an anonymous hotline to report street crime. Eric CIAmeralla is also a material witness that worked for Biden AND as the 'Ukraine director on the National Security Council (NSC) during the end of the Obama administration'. How and from whom he received the information is relevant too.

Evidence of what is overwhelming? Asking Ukraine to investigate corruption? Sure. Schiff lying about classified information? That too.
The quid pro quo bonanza is muddied waters. I dont think i need to rehash all of the talking points in this response.
There is no current evidence that Trump asked Ukraine to fabricate evidence as Schiff falsely claimed.
Running for president shouldn't make you and your family immune from investigation for corruption.

The person you call a 'hack' and bad actor who is leading these hearings will not permit relevant and pertinent truths to come out.
Yea, some of those people on that list testified.
This is not to say that i am claiming Trump is innocent, in this or in general. I am open to any possibilities, have extremely low expectations of politicians and have studied enough relevant history to know they regularly engage in heinous and unscrupulous acts. Sometimes we don't find out until its declassified 50 years later, after all of the guilty parties are typically deceased.

Possibility for wrongdoing doesn't make sham hearings controlled by a particularly bad actor a good idea.
An honest pursuit of truth would demand hearing from the defense and witnesses the inquisitor might not find politically convenient.


QUIT LYING CAM
https://republicans-intelligence.house.gov/uploadedfiles/rm_letter_to_chm_re_witness_request.pdf
Tim Morrison, Kurt Volker, and David Hale are on the list of witnesses that Nunes provided. Both have testified in closed-door session and will publicly testify next week. You said they were all banned and that's simply not the case.

These hearings are about the President's potential abuse of power. If you're concerned about "corruption" in Ukraine by American citizens, we have a lovely thing called the Department Of Justice that can work with the National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine.
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