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Apr 5 2022 08:50am
Quote (ferdia @ 5 Apr 2022 14:08)
its not hate speech but thats pretty close.

ultimately when weaving through this topic it has to be acknowledged that this is a war we are talking about and in war people die. When you look at the millions of displaced, the dead, the war crimes etc. it is part of the parcel that people across the board will be angry and mad about what is happening and will voice their views, including radical views, now and then, here and there. This includes lashing out. and again, this is normal. I am not condoning it, i just understand it.


If you don't quote it's not possible to follow. You said it yourself, it's not hate speech. However, take it as a clear statement: people doing war crimes are jailed for life at best. No prisonner is fair.

May have to add that it's possible some Russian bataillons COULD be worse than others, it's also interesting to imagine that ISIS could have a better behaviour than these soldier, since they must take the women as wives.

Btw i heard several times that biggest atrocities in the world are committed slavic people, thus what is happening is DRC is super strong either. (Torture with hammers, grassing of the skin of genitals etc)
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Apr 5 2022 09:01am
Quote (ferdia @ Apr 5 2022 09:08am)
its not hate speech but thats pretty close.

ultimately when weaving through this topic it has to be acknowledged that this is a war we are talking about and in war people die. When you look at the millions of displaced, the dead, the war crimes etc. it is part of the parcel that people across the board will be angry and mad about what is happening and will voice their views, including radical views, now and then, here and there. This includes lashing out. and again, this is normal. I am not condoning it, i just understand it.


But one thread is the partisanship. The idea that everyone must take a side and stand with their newfound ally, even if two months ago they didnt give a tosh about them. The radical with us or against us mentality that springs up out of nowhere and demands we embrace another country's nationalism. People have contrasted this war in a racial lens to african conflicts like rwanda or liberia or whatever. Well, nobody told me that if I didn't wave their Hutu or Tutsi banner that I'm a traitor and complicit. Africans had no shortage of hatred fueling their wars, but nobody in the west gave a solitary fuck about their motives or identity or politics. Now we've got standing ovations for Zelensky in congress
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Apr 5 2022 09:14am
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Apr 5 2022 09:47am)
We allowed companies to merge to basically infinity. There is no lower threshold for cost-to-benefit when they are as large as they are now. Even if they are only saving 0.01% the profit is so massive that it warrants a team of lawyers to save.

We also used welfare to subsidize those companies wages, instead of making them pay a living wage and benefits. We still have a garbage healthcare system purely to subsidize hospitals, pharma companies, and insurance companies even though the most conservative estimates say we would say hundreds of billions a year with even a generous national plan. We got rid of systems that worked amazingly, like a lot of what the post office did, for the same reason.

We spent like a drunken sailor on everything that pumped up corporations instead of the public good because a segment of the population (mostly boomers) wanted their pensions and retirement accounts to keep growing faster. Now we're living with the results. A fundamentally broken system with crumbling infrastructure and nobody willing to sacrifice for the greater good.


I didn't say "eliminate," I said lower.

Funny how when you subsidize something, you get more of it. Isn't it?
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Apr 5 2022 09:20am
i am not used to linking / quoting so my apologies, i have been called out on this previously. please accept it as a failing of mine rather then an overt attempt to be aggressive. Also while I dont agree with you re: observation/pointing at any one area/people/group/entity as being worse then others, I accept the rest of your qualification on the original statements.

I would not say that one people are worse then others, i would say that different cultures have different ideas of social norms and different ideas on accepted norms. Ultimately man is a beast and we do a very good job of killing each other, whatever continent we are on. but yes, different cultures value life differently.

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Apr 5 2022 09:28am
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Apr 5 2022 10:47am)
We allowed companies to merge to basically infinity. There is no lower threshold for cost-to-benefit when they are as large as they are now. Even if they are only saving 0.01% the profit is so massive that it warrants a team of lawyers to save.

We also used welfare to subsidize those companies wages, instead of making them pay a living wage and benefits. We still have a garbage healthcare system purely to subsidize hospitals, pharma companies, and insurance companies even though the most conservative estimates say we would say hundreds of billions a year with even a generous national plan. We got rid of systems that worked amazingly, like a lot of what the post office did, for the same reason.

We spent like a drunken sailor on everything that pumped up corporations instead of the public good because a segment of the population (mostly boomers) wanted their pensions and retirement accounts to keep growing faster. Now we're living with the results. A fundamentally broken system with crumbling infrastructure and nobody willing to sacrifice for the greater good.


We spent like a drunken sailor on entitlements, war, and welfare. I say "war", and not defense, because defense spending as a percentage of GDP has actually been falling.

When you hand out welfare, you're impacting individual behavior. When you can get paid $100 for working, and $25 in welfare, it beats working for $110. You're changing how people value their time. That's not Walmart's fault. They're reacting like everyone else to programs the government implemented.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Apr 5 2022 12:52am)
Overall public spending has been on the rise, but an increasing share of it is going into social programs. Iirc, public spending on infrastructure, research and education has been outpaced by GDP growth.


When entitlement and social spending make up such a large part of the pie, what are you supposed to do? It crowds out other forms of spending.

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Apr 5 2022 09:48am
Quote (ferdia @ 5 Apr 2022 15:20)
I would not say that one people are worse then others, i would say that different cultures have different ideas of social norms and different ideas on accepted norms. Ultimately man is a beast and we do a very good job of killing each other, whatever continent we are on. but yes, different cultures value life differently.


Yet there's only one invader and it is commiting war crimes.
btw "equivalent culture" example from 2007
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/feb/13/russia.lukeharding
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Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Apr 5 2022 09:48am)
Yet there's only one invader and it is commiting war crimes.
btw "equivalent culture" example from 2007
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/feb/13/russia.lukeharding


Only Russian war crimes matter. Never forget that. Heh, whaddya mean Ukraine slaughtered tens of thousands of people before the Russian invasion and went full-blown fascist in the meanwhile? Well, the media never mentioned it, so it's all gud
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Apr 5 2022 09:52am
Quote (bogie160 @ Apr 5 2022 10:28am)
We spent like a drunken sailor on entitlements, war, and welfare. I say "war", and not defense, because defense spending as a percentage of GDP has actually been falling.

When you hand out welfare, you're impacting individual behavior. When you can get paid $100 for working, and $25 in welfare, it beats working for $110. You're changing how people value their time. That's not Walmart's fault. They're reacting like everyone else to programs the government implemented.


Yes just ignore the massive influence companies like Walmart have over creating policy.

A massive amount of welfare is subsidizing the Walmarts by design and they actively work to keep those and other friendly policies in place.

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Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Apr 5 2022 11:52am)
Yes just ignore the massive influence companies like Walmart have over creating policy.

A massive amount of welfare is subsidizing the Walmarts by design and they actively work to keep those and other friendly policies in place.


So you oppose welfare?
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Apr 5 2022 09:58am
Quote (chopstickz777 @ 5 Apr 2022 15:50)
Only Russian war crimes matter. Never forget that. Heh, whaddya mean Ukraine slaughtered tens of thousands of people before the Russian invasion and went full-blown fascist in the meanwhile? Well, the media never mentioned it, so it's all gud


Institutionalized corruption since a century. You must fix it.
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