try not to break them with facts they are very fragile.

Ruscists ? I guess they want to keep circle jerking on NS2 (which never was in service and was even cancelled before the war) because they don't want to talk about the actual situation in Ukraine.

Both you, fender, ferdia and co. are telling false information. NS2 was finished but never used. NS1 was used heavily by all of the Europe through German proxy (Germany bought and resold to surrounding European market). The attacks were on NS1 (intact and heavily used pipeline) and NS2 (intact and fully usable but not allowed to be active due to sanctions issued by the US prior to the Russian -Ukrainian war). The explosions completely broke NS1 (consisting of 2 pipelines) and damaged one of the two NS2 pipelines. Hence, NS2 is still intact (one pipeline) and fully functional but not used for political reasons.
Whataboutism never solved any problems. Blowing up German and Russian property is a crime against these countries. You can't justify crime with crimes. Didn't Jesus teach you anything?
All of the info in the MSM is wrong anyways. The lead goes to Ukraine but Ukraine never had the marine ability to go through with that kind of operation. Only countries in questions are Russia, USA and UK. It wasn't Russia for sure. I don't understand the idiotism about memes with Budanov as well. a 30+ year old has got 0 say in anything in special services. All the intel are provided by Nato, primarily by UK and US.

This post was edited by babun1024 on Aug 26 2023 12:37pm

thank you for clarifying ( i defer to your statement ). humbly now, What aspect of my statements relating to NS2 are false ?

but what do you mean by not used for political reasons ?

This post was edited by ferdia on Aug 26 2023 12:36pm

Ask the US, the sanctions were issued prior to the war.

False informations ? Cool, and any news from Sinkova ?

In bold, thank you.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/nov/16/germany-suspends-approval-for-nord-stream-2-gas-pipeline

Btw considering the criminal regime... It was a good decision.

I dont wont to be contrite but is this not the point ? If the US had not sanctioned Russia and if dolphins had not blown up the pipeline, the energy crisis would have been lessened or averted. in this context what aspect of my statements has been false ?

if your point is that it relates to NS2 and not NS1 then this is to my mind a minor detail noting the effect is the same (sanctions / cost of living crisis / escalated war etc etc). I guess I should say NS1 from now on, is this your point ? I honestly feel this is a weak argument (well i would say that) when I not the opposing side of the debate refuses to answer simple yes / no questions, which i highlighted above. Just clarify if you can what the issue is and I will correct / qualify my statements, and/or retract where needed.

i am more then willing to concede the point if you can point out the issue. My view is that projects (and trade) of this magnitude are fail safes against war, and removing the reliance on russia (or china) is a surefire way to escalate a conflict.

This post was edited by ferdia on Aug 26 2023 12:48pm

The US was of the opinion that Europe was too addicted to the cheap Russian gas. They wanted Europe to lessen its dependence by buying liquid gas from the US. Also, the US is and was using Poland as a puppet to sabotage the EU from within. Poland's importance was NS1 had to go through Poland and Ukraine. They had more weight geopolitically and got lots of money just for transit. Ukraine could steal as much gas as they wanted. For those reasons, NS2 was constructed in the first place to bypass all of this.


Dude, my IQ is too high for bullshit. If you don't have anything constructive to tell me, just ignore me.

This post was edited by babun1024 on Aug 26 2023 12:55pm

and my false information relates to referencing NS2, or is there additional ?
(this is not me looking for a i got you moment, i am asking you politely to educate me on my error).

This post was edited by ferdia on Aug 26 2023 01:04pm

I wasn't addressing you alone. Everybody was propagating that wrong info. There are two pipeline systems with 2 pipelines each. One is NS1 and the other NS2. NS1 was destroyed. NS2 still has got 1 intact pipeline. The rest of the info I didn't look at. You might be right or wrong depending on the perspective but that one is a fact.