Your video says the investigation leads to Ukraine but not to Ukraine's governement.
The moment it happened is very disturbing: Just after Khariv region being re-taken by ukrainians, 1 week before russia's partial mobilization, just before russians retreat frop Kherson.
==> I don't see see any advantage for Ukraine to blow up the pipelines at this time. Seems counter productive.

So the Ukrainian government is not involved in a complex operation like this

Highly unlikely. More likely is Zelensky telling his guys "you organize this, I know nothing". Does this mean Ukraine gets a free pass? Blowing up critical infrastructure is a serious crime don't you think?

Imho, it was very unlikely at the time. There already was no way back, politically speaking. Taking such a huge risk for such little strategic gain (both from Ukraine's pov) is just irrational. Therefore, the emerging explanation that this attack was carried out by rogue Ukrainian hardliners who didn't coordinate with their government seems logical.

Your video says the investigation leads to Ukraine but not to Ukraine's governement.
==> Russia was too much infiltrated in Ukraine to reject its responsability.

The moment it happened is very disturbing: Just after Khariv region being re-taken by ukrainians, 1 week before russia's partial mobilization, just before russians retreat frop Kherson.
==> I don't see any advantage for Ukraine to blow up the pipelines at this time. Seems counter productive.

/e wtf i lose time with it



It's also possible that Ukrainians were waiting for more tanks or something like that when it happened. So it could be even more than just "counter productive": destructive.

This post was edited by Meanwhile on Aug 26 2023 07:51am

while all of this is true, i definitely wouldn't completely dismiss the option that it was ordered / approved be the zelensky government directly.

sure, the risk-reward ratio looks horrible, given that europe was already committing to divesting from russian energy (the main reason i figured the yanks are probably not behind it, even though they are clearly the biggest profiteer from broken relations between germany and russia), and thus i remain sceptical - but it's not like they have been completely rational actors during this conflict (understandable to a degree, but should it turn out they are responsible, i absolutely support meaningful consequences - despite the fact that NS2 was already a dead project for years to come), so it wouldn't exactly shock me...

German Defense Minister Boris Pistorius warned in march against jumping to conclusions and said it's likely a 'staged false flag operation to blame Ukraine' ...

i tend to agree with this, its the US that has repeatedly blamed Ukraine for NS2 (we all know the US did it just like we know Putin ordered that assassination).

This post was edited by ferdia on Aug 26 2023 08:43am

You "lose time" because you don't even consider what was said, a complex operation like this was planned way before the counter offensives you mentioned which therefor have nothing to do with NS sabotage (terrorist act, possible case for International Tribunal).

More and more evidence points at Ukraine while no evidence was found that Russia was involved, deal with it





*Too much evidence pointing at Ukraine right now to call the people discussing this issue krembots without looking like a complete clown*

Nice 180 there buddy

So you agree with the guy who warned in march against jumping to conclusions and then you immediately jump to conclusions ?



This post was edited by Meanwhile on Aug 26 2023 08:56am