Quote (Malopox @ 26 Aug 2023 09:06)

Anyway the issue is deniability. UA govt can claim they weren’t aware and throw the perpetrators under the bus. Although I doubt UA (like any other govt) extradites it’s own citizens to face justice abroad.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Aug 26 2023 08:26am)

A very interesting article, thanks for linking. One quote from the article irks me, though:

When the pipelines were blown up, they were already shut down - by Russia, out of its own volition. Germany (and other European countries if we're honest) were still very willing to receive Russian natural gas via the Nordstream pipelines.
And it didn't look likely at all that these pipelines would be opened up again anytime soon.

This also means that the attack on the pipelines didn't have an immediate or direct impact on Europe's gas supplies. It did make the markets nervous and temporarily caused the gas prices on the global markets to soar even further, but this effect was short-lived.

Anyway, if our intelligence services are able to corroborate an Ukrainian origin of this attack and rule out a Russian false flag, then the perpetrators must be arrested by the Ukrainian government and extradited to Germany immediately. If(!) it can be proven that the Ukrainian government or high-ranking members of their military knew about these attacks and didn't stop them, that would be grounds to end Germany's financial and military support for Ukraine. It seems unlikely that such a connection between the commando and Ukraine's leadership can be firmly established, but if it can, then that's the only possible consequence.

Furthermore, I would expect our government to, in any case, communicate to the Ukrainian government that they better get their fucking house in order; that any repeat of such an attack would lead to the end of Germany's support for Ukraine, this time around independent from Ukraine's officials knowing about it.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Aug 26 2023 08:59am)

It isn't old news, it's referring to reports in leading German media outlets which came out just yesterday:

https://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/nord-stream-anschlag-in-der-ostsee-die-spuren-fuehren-in-eine-richtung-in-die-ukraine-a-befcbfbb-b1cd-4912-aeaa-56bef4dd8047

(The article is paywalled and in German though.)



At the time the NS pipelines were blown up, Russia had already stopped gas deliveries and was consequently no longer making any money with them. So the only reason keep the pipelines around was as a carrot to dangle in front of the Germans/Europeans.

But our governments had already begun shifting away from Russian gas. They were, and still are, committed to permanently getting by without Russian gas. So the only scenario in which the existence of the shut down pipelines would have given Russia leverage was one in which Germany/Europe runs into an acute gas shortage during the winter of 21/22. As we know now, no such such acute shortage ever materialized, not even close. We came out of the winter with our gas storages still 63.7% filled. And right now, before August has even ended, our gas tanks are already filled by 93.5%.

Quote (Djunior @ Aug 26 2023 12:37pm)

So Russia threw a tantrum and decided to blow up their own pipelines? Do you understand how utterly flawed that reasoning is? A country that gets most of it's money from selling oil and gas decided to just blow up their valuable infrastructure because they were mad about being sanctioned? Thanks for once again showing us how easily you get influenced by all the nonsense MSM pumps out on a daily basis.

NEW Nord Stream sabotage findings

- No links to Russian involvement found, no proof whatsoever
- More and more evidence that Ukraine did it
- No one in Berlin wants to think about Ukrainian involvement and the consequences this should have.

What a shit show, LMAO

^Meanwhile ^fender ^Prox1m1ty enjoy, lol

B-b-but rUSiA BLew Up thEiR OWn PipELiNE1!!1!11!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8dGk_qtImY

Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Aug 26 2023 01:45pm)

Why are you tagging me? Stop harassing me, you are clearly unhinged.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ 26 Aug 2023 06:59)

It isn't old news, it's referring to reports in leading German media outlets which came out just yesterday:

https://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/nord-stream-anschlag-in-der-ostsee-die-spuren-fuehren-in-eine-richtung-in-die-ukraine-a-befcbfbb-b1cd-4912-aeaa-56bef4dd8047

(The article is paywalled and in German though.)

Quote (Meanwhile @ Aug 26 2023 01:54pm)

It is still the the Andromeda Yatch investigation. I am surprised how you can blow up a 10B pipeline section with military grade explosives and then not destroying or properly cleaning the 15 meters boat after the sabitage.
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On a side note It was pretty sad that, yesterday, I had to endure the insults and silly mental gymnastics of people who openly want to collaborate with the ruscist regime:
- It was a sabitage, not a "terrorist attack".
- There's no link established with any governement
- NS2 wasnt in services and consequances weren't that big economically.
- I guess it's easier to circle jerk on that than war crimes or military situation

The moment it happened is very disturbing: Just after Khariv region being re-taken by ukrainians, 1 week before russia's partial mobilization, just before russians retreat frop Kherson.
==> Explain me the advantage for Ukraine to blow up the pipelines at this time.

What I see is it created divisions within the western countries. Who would do that.

Quote (Djunior @ 26 Aug 2023 12:10)

Ukrainians blowing up EU's critical infrastructure. Things just get better and better hmm?
Now pls post more images of Russian ships that were in the area at some point in time to "prove" Russia blew up their own pipelines :lol: