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Aug 25 2023 05:17pm
The bottom line: Russian defense lines are beginning to crumble. The Ukrainian army is advancing southward with some success, coming one step closer to taking fire control of the "land corridor to Crimea."

The stakes are already clear: all Russian supply lines, including railroads, are at stake. This means one thing: the Russian army is on the verge of losing its strategic positions. Therefore, we can predict a doubling of calls for negotiations in the near future (to immediately stop the supply of weapons) and twice as many attempts to demoralize Ukraine by third parties to make Ukrainians lose faith in their abilities.

Meanwhile... the Ukrainian Armed Forces continue to regain what belongs to them.

Podolya- advisor to President Zelenskyy


=> Let's hope facts will follow, right ?
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Quote (DizzyBusiness @ Aug 26 2023 01:01am)
Lol does anyone actually read this clowns rants?


not really, its copy pasta anyway

Quote (ferdia @ Aug 26 2023 12:10am)
This was discussed previously and a video was posted. Ultimately the war and US de-globalization has hit Germany the hardest out of any country noting their economy was reliant on international trade, to which the roads are now being closed. Germany has a strong foundation so they should be able to find a way out of their predicament, but as you said, a lot of them are feeling the pinch and it wont resolve itself,or be resolved, for years to come. to reiterate again, there is a really good reason for Germans to feel hard done by here.

1. Infrastructure destroyed by an "ally".
2. Foreign army bases in their country that they cant get rid of.
3. Entire economic plan uplifted resulting in Germany having to find a new "plan".
4. Cost of living crisis.

The natural consequence is a shift to the right and alot of unhappy (and poor) Germans. Not a good mix.


first, you have to admit that the german system got exposed big time

living off substance, old accolades and a gigantic export surplus at the expense of its own citizens probably had to backfire at some point

exploiting the workforce on low wages and absurd taxes in a high cost environment goes only so far, german citizens are among the poorest in europe (household networth), the pension system means guaranteed poverty for most

so when most people live exactly paycheck to paycheck and somewhat cheap energy from abroad is a necessity you will end up with a small margin of error, even if you had a competent government

i wouldnt call it a shift to the right just because the only actual opposition (that is mostly clowns as well at this point) has like 20% in the polls

the overwhelming majority is still 100% delusional, they got no fucking clue whats coming for them
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Aug 26 2023 12:15am
Don't want to hear anyone else conplain about yow germans can afford one less holiday and 2 less pairs of lederhosen per year.
Leveraging cheap gas from an authoritarian government allowed them to live beyond their means for 3 decades.

The living standards far exceed that of a massive percentage of the world population.

The Germany guy in here complaining because he hates the boring red brick architecture while millions of people struggle to find food or avoiding capture by Islamic terrorists.

Grab a schnitzel and get some fucking self awareness.

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Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Aug 26 2023 03:15am)
Don't want to hear anyone else conplain about yow germans can afford one less holiday and 2 less pairs of lederhosen per year.
Leveraging cheap gas from an authoritarian government allowed them to live beyond their means for 3 decades.

The living standards far exceed that of a massive percentage of the world population.

The Germany guy in here complaining because he hates the boring red brick architecture while millions of people struggle to find food or avoiding capture by Islamic terrorists.

Grab a schnitzel and get some fucking self awareness.


Drinking tonight?
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Aug 26 2023 12:26am
Quote (Malopox @ 25 Aug 2023 19:31)
Der Spiegel and ZDF journalists released an investigation (paywalled) pointing to Ukranian saboteurs. Below is the link in OCCRP quoting the investigation.

https://www.occrp.org/en/daily/17961-der-spiegel-probe-into-nord-stream-blast-points-to-ukrainian-specialists

Should Germany invoke article 5 and ask NATO to help defend against Ukraine if this proves to be correct?

A very interesting article, thanks for linking. One quote from the article irks me, though:
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While it's possible that Russia is responsible, it's not probable. The pipelines represent a significant source of income for Moscow.

When the pipelines were blown up, they were already shut down - by Russia, out of its own volition. Germany (and other European countries if we're honest) were still very willing to receive Russian natural gas via the Nordstream pipelines.
And it didn't look likely at all that these pipelines would be opened up again anytime soon.

This also means that the attack on the pipelines didn't have an immediate or direct impact on Europe's gas supplies. It did make the markets nervous and temporarily caused the gas prices on the global markets to soar even further, but this effect was short-lived.

Anyway, if our intelligence services are able to corroborate an Ukrainian origin of this attack and rule out a Russian false flag, then the perpetrators must be arrested by the Ukrainian government and extradited to Germany immediately. If(!) it can be proven that the Ukrainian government or high-ranking members of their military knew about these attacks and didn't stop them, that would be grounds to end Germany's financial and military support for Ukraine. It seems unlikely that such a connection between the commando and Ukraine's leadership can be firmly established, but if it can, then that's the only possible consequence.

Furthermore, I would expect our government to, in any case, communicate to the Ukrainian government that they better get their fucking house in order; that any repeat of such an attack would lead to the end of Germany's support for Ukraine, this time around independent from Ukraine's officials knowing about it.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Aug 26 2023 12:27am
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Aug 26 2023 12:59am
Quote (Meanwhile @ 25 Aug 2023 20:10)
I am very sorry but this thing is way too old and has been debunked since a while already.

It isn't old news, it's referring to reports in leading German media outlets which came out just yesterday:

https://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/nord-stream-anschlag-in-der-ostsee-die-spuren-fuehren-in-eine-richtung-in-die-ukraine-a-befcbfbb-b1cd-4912-aeaa-56bef4dd8047

(The article is paywalled and in German though.)


Quote (Djunior @ 25 Aug 2023 21:46)
YES a cash cow because YOU GUYS had been buying as much of that stuff as the Russians could deliver.
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Russia was in control and could simply stop supplies for a decade if they wanted and possibly resume gas deliveries in the future.

At the time the NS pipelines were blown up, Russia had already stopped gas deliveries and was consequently no longer making any money with them. So the only reason keep the pipelines around was as a carrot to dangle in front of the Germans/Europeans.

But our governments had already begun shifting away from Russian gas. They were, and still are, committed to permanently getting by without Russian gas. So the only scenario in which the existence of the shut down pipelines would have given Russia leverage was one in which Germany/Europe runs into an acute gas shortage during the winter of 21/22. As we know now, no such such acute shortage ever materialized, not even close. We came out of the winter with our gas storages still 63.7% filled. And right now, before August has even ended, our gas tanks are already filled by 93.5%.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Aug 26 2023 01:00am
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Aug 26 2023 01:06am
ZDF has a video that is public but it’s in German and no subtitles.

https://www.zdf.de/politik/frontal/doku-fall-nord-stream-spurensuche-ostsee-andromeda-gas-pipeline-explosion-russland-sabotage-ukraine-krieg-100.html

Anyway the issue is deniability. UA govt can claim they weren’t aware and throw the perpetrators under the bus. Although I doubt UA (like any other govt) extradites it’s own citizens to face justice abroad.

That is assuming what ZDF and Spiegel allege is indeed the outcome of the official investigation.

This post was edited by Malopox on Aug 26 2023 01:07am
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Aug 26 2023 02:11am
How many migs do the ukrainians have left? They lost 2 yesterday colliding in midair in a training accident. I thought the active list was somewhere ~20ish, so that's pretty significant
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Quote (Goomshill @ Aug 26 2023 09:11am)
How many migs do the ukrainians have left? They lost 2 yesterday colliding in midair in a training accident. I thought the active list was somewhere ~20ish, so that's pretty significant


https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/ukraine-how-many-fighter-jets-poland-send-arms-military-b1068028.html

How many jets does Ukraine have?

According to Forbes, Ukrainians had around 105 MiG-29s, Su-24s, and Su-25s before the Russians attacked — and, a year later, still have around 105 of these types. It is estimated Ukraine still has up to 50 Su-27s. Forbes claims these might be Ukraine’s most useful jets as they are fast, manoeuvrable, and flexible.

i accept thats not an answer XD, i guess the uk publications are playing here, so here is the full story from Forbes: https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2023/02/01/how-many-su-27-interceptors-does-ukraine-have-left/?sh=31b58ef34c29

see also here:

https://www.airandspaceforces.com/ukraine-has-lost-60-aircraft-taken-down-70-in-russian-invasion-hecker-says/

Ukraine Has Lost 60 Aircraft, Taken Down 70 in Russian Invasion, Hecker Says

that looks more credible.

another article: https://aviationweek.com/defense-space/aircraft-propulsion/russian-aircraft-losses-total-176-ukraine-raf-chief

This post was edited by ferdia on Aug 26 2023 02:29am
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