Ah so that's the real reason Russia blew up NS

They went like "fuck it we're losing a lot of money in Ukraine so lets blow up our pipelines"

It was a 10B project funded 50/50 Gazprom/Eu companies and it ends here because NS1 was already sufficient and got cut for the following reason:
Putin escalated tensions for 2 decades trying to rebuild his old "great ussr/russian empire" ... Up to Ukraine invasion.

Now explain me how NS2 excess 10B...

This post was edited by Meanwhile on Aug 25 2023 02:13pm

your not factoring in the knock on impacts of not being able to buy cheap energy. this knock on impact is being felt to this day. Does this make sense to you ?
you are also ignoring that the west has ever moved eastwards, russia has not ever moved westwards for 20 years.

also the mental gymnastics you have done here "got cut for the following reason" is completely ignoring the fact that this was part owned by Germany and Ukraine effectively attacked German infrastructure. That is an act of war. the fact that german politicians are not raising this issue is a clear indicator that Germany is a vassal state.

This post was edited by ferdia on Aug 25 2023 02:28pm

There's no need to "factorize" when you are at a certain state where NS1 can still continue to work and everything stopped because a dictator decided to invade a country.

NS2 was 10B, and it stops here. On the other hand,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_impact_of_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine

Circle jerk around NS 2 costs, by the numbers.


Tip: The invasion of Ukraine started seven months before the NS2 explosions. Repairs cost a few hundred millions, but strangely, no one tried to do them.

https://news.yahoo.com/kremlin-no-decision-yet-repair-101830903.html

This post was edited by Meanwhile on Aug 25 2023 02:33pm

1. It costs more to get energy now. this is a fact.
If Ukraine's intention (or the US intention) of bombing NS2 was to prolong the war, then they have been successful. However, in prolonging the war it has has a world impact on the cost of living. Therefore a blanket 10B expense is woefully short.
3. Russia did try to repair the pipelines.
4. Russia also tried to investigate who blew up the pipelines via the UN, and the US vetoed it. The US then said Ukraine blew up the pipelines. This is fact (not that Ukraine blew it up, but rather that the US blamed Ukraine).

The wiki you provided is quite comprehensive but does not cover in detail the wide ranging impact on the economic cost of this war on the world.

You told us all without any evidence that the US blew up NS2. Then you told us Ukraine did it.

Why should anyone believe anything you say if you don't require any evidence to form an opinion?

The wiki illustrates the cost of what was decided way before the NS2 sabotage. Russia has no plan to repair NS. Russia would "investigate" my ass and then say it's yours (or vice versa).
The only argument left for NS2 would be, "Its destruction influenced EU assistance and behavior toward Ukraine". But it was seven months after the invasion... After the Russians lost Khariv region and 1 month before they retreated from Kherson, So the change in the course of the war was very low.

It's probably better to move on.

This post was edited by Meanwhile on Aug 25 2023 03:02pm

https://www.securitycouncilreport.org/whatsinblue/2023/03/ukraine-vote-on-draft-resolution-on-the-nord-stream-incident.php

your welcome.

but this is an old argument, i agree we should move on noting we are not going to agree on this point.

This post was edited by ferdia on Aug 25 2023 02:59pm

Did Putin order the killing of Prigozhin?

Because of the war in Ukraine and the standoff with Russia, neither of the two gas pipelines was in service (NS1 and NS2).
The Nord Stream 2, whose construction was finalized at the end of 2021, has never been put into service.
The Russian energy giant Gazprom also stopped deliveries in early September 2022 via its twin Nord Stream 1 for an indefinite period, officially for maintenance work.

Yep, btw there are more important news atm