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Aug 25 2023 11:40am
Quote (Malopox @ 26 Aug 2023 01:31)
Der Spiegel and ZDF journalists released an investigation (paywalled) pointing to Ukranian saboteurs. Below is the link in OCCRP quoting the investigation.

https://www.occrp.org/en/daily/17961-der-spiegel-probe-into-nord-stream-blast-points-to-ukrainian-specialists

Should Germany invoke article 5 and ask NATO to help defend against Ukraine if this proves to be correct?


They can't , the daddy Sugar will change their government. :lol:
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Aug 25 2023 11:48am
Quote (Malopox @ Aug 25 2023 02:31pm)
Der Spiegel and ZDF journalists released an investigation (paywalled) pointing to Ukranian saboteurs. Below is the link in OCCRP quoting the investigation.

https://www.occrp.org/en/daily/17961-der-spiegel-probe-into-nord-stream-blast-points-to-ukrainian-specialists

Should Germany invoke article 5 and ask NATO to help defend against Ukraine if this proves to be correct?


Funny how the US knew who it was so early lol
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Aug 25 2023 11:52am
Quote (DizzyBusiness @ 26 Aug 2023 01:48)
Funny how the US knew who it was so early lol




Or worst, the Three Karens of Pard will meet up , band together and glue themselves on the AutoBahn to Protest :P
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Aug 25 2023 11:57am
Quote (Hamsterbaby @ 25 Aug 2023 19:40)
They can't , the daddy Sugar will change their government. :lol:


Quote (DizzyBusiness @ 25 Aug 2023 19:48)
Funny how the US knew who it was so early lol


I mean it’s extremely awkward for German govt as they desperately tried to play this diplomatic and if it turns out the govt they are supporting has caused them hundreds of billions of damages (infrastructure, kfw bailouts, economy sinking, BASF/Uniper etc) this is truly going to be tough for Olaf and Annalena to spin this and survive in politics.
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Aug 25 2023 12:06pm
Quote (Malopox @ Aug 25 2023 02:57pm)
I mean it’s extremely awkward for German govt as they desperately tried to play this diplomatic and if it turns out the govt they are supporting has caused them hundreds of billions of damages (infrastructure, kfw bailouts, economy sinking, BASF/Uniper etc) this is truly going to be tough for Olaf and Annalena to spin this and survive in politics.


If it gets that far they can just say it was a group of extremists acting on their own, Zelensky is doing everything he can to track them down and charge them etc etc
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Aug 25 2023 12:06pm
Quote (Malopox @ Aug 25 2023 01:57pm)
I mean it’s extremely awkward for German govt as they desperately tried to play this diplomatic and if it turns out the govt they are supporting has caused them hundreds of billions of damages (infrastructure, kfw bailouts, economy sinking, BASF/Uniper etc) this is truly going to be tough for Olaf and Annalena to spin this and survive in politics.


In modern politics consequences for bad actions are minimal. A few hundred people can essentially waste 20 trillion dollars (the wars and Covid spending) and essentially irreparably damage the purchasing power of tens of millions of people, saddling the next generations with huge amounts of debt and there's no consequences.

Even if they don't survive, so what? They're still rich, their kids will be reach and setup. Meanwhile millions of people just have to face higher taxes, lower wage growth, etc. I talked to my cousin that lives in west Germany and he's telling me taxes keep going up and up. Nothing ever happens to hold these people really accountable, let alone reverse any of the damage.

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Aug 25 2023 12:07pm
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Aug 25 2023 12:10pm
Quote (Malopox @ 25 Aug 2023 19:31)
Der Spiegel and ZDF journalists released an investigation (paywalled) pointing to Ukranian saboteurs. Below is the link in OCCRP quoting the investigation.

https://www.occrp.org/en/daily/17961-der-spiegel-probe-into-nord-stream-blast-points-to-ukrainian-specialists

Should Germany invoke article 5 and ask NATO to help defend against Ukraine if this proves to be correct?


I am very sorry but this thing is way too old and has been debunked since a while already.
As example: the "Yacht" & it's crew were too small to carry the equipement for such operation.

on the other hand:

Russian navy vessels seen near Nord Stream before blasts - Nordic broadcasters report

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-navy-vessels-seen-near-nord-stream-before-blasts-nordic-broadcasters-2023-05-03/
https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-ships-nord-stream-explosion/32391527.html
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65461401
https://www.businessinsider.com/russian-navy-ship-nord-stream-pipelines-days-explosions-2023-4?r=US&IR=T

Original source: Danish Governement:

https://www.information.dk/indland/2023/04/forsvaret-bekraefter-rusland-specialfartoej-naer-nord-streams-spraengningspunkt?lst_frnt

Translation

https://www-information-dk.translate.goog/indland/2023/04/forsvaret-bekraefter-rusland-specialfartoej-naer-nord-streams-spraengningspunkt?lst_frnt&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp

Defense confirms: Russia had special vessel near Nord Stream's detonation point
The Norwegian Defense Command confirms in a response to a document inspection that 26 photos of the Russian vessel were taken from a Danish patrol boat that was in the area east of Bornholm on 22 September 2022.



Bonus:



Have a nice one.

This post was edited by Meanwhile on Aug 25 2023 12:17pm
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Aug 25 2023 12:49pm
Quote (Meanwhile @ Aug 25 2023 08:10pm)
I am very sorry but this thing is way too old and has been debunked since a while already.
As example: the "Yacht" & it's crew were too small to carry the equipement for such operation.

on the other hand:

Russian navy vessels seen near Nord Stream before blasts - Nordic broadcasters report

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-navy-vessels-seen-near-nord-stream-before-blasts-nordic-broadcasters-2023-05-03/
https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-ships-nord-stream-explosion/32391527.html
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65461401
https://www.businessinsider.com/russian-navy-ship-nord-stream-pipelines-days-explosions-2023-4?r=US&IR=T

Original source: Danish Governement:

https://www.information.dk/indland/2023/04/forsvaret-bekraefter-rusland-specialfartoej-naer-nord-streams-spraengningspunkt?lst_frnt

Translation

https://www-information-dk.translate.goog/indland/2023/04/forsvaret-bekraefter-rusland-specialfartoej-naer-nord-streams-spraengningspunkt?lst_frnt&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp

Defense confirms: Russia had special vessel near Nord Stream's detonation point
The Norwegian Defense Command confirms in a response to a document inspection that 26 photos of the Russian vessel were taken from a Danish patrol boat that was in the area east of Bornholm on 22 September 2022.

https://www.information.dk/sites/information.dk/files/styles/930x/public/media/2023/04/27/sebastian_skib.jpg

Bonus:

https://i.imgur.com/zy0d1C7.jpg

Have a nice one.


Same BS again, Russia blowing up their cash cow, LOOOOOL

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Aug 25 2023 01:02pm
Quote (Djunior @ 26 Aug 2023 02:49)
Same BS again, Russia blowing up their cash cow, LOOOOOL


I mean if someone can blow up their commentary continuously in 3k pages. There is an argument that the Russians might be irrational enough to blow up their cash cow and self own.
It is a valid point.

:lol:
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Aug 25 2023 01:12pm
I will not reject the idea it could have been done by "pro-ukraine" / "Anti-Putin" Russians. ^_^

This post was edited by Meanwhile on Aug 25 2023 01:37pm
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