not a single person here ever said that russia does not have plenty of nazis

however thats not the point and putin keeps them in check

the ukranian regime cracked down on everything russian immediately after the violent coup

The Karens of Ferdia Thread screaming again.

No, Russia has a way bigger "nazi" problem than Ukraine
https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=92094408&f=119&p=650187042
https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=92094408&f=119&p=650164292

regarding the "violent coup" bullshit
https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=92094408&f=119&p=650088646
https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=92094408&f=119&p=649808406
https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=92094408&f=119&p=649975041

Np i keep it in my book for the next time.

This post was edited by Meanwhile on Aug 25 2023 06:19am

A lot of people here are, however, insinuating that the presence of nazis in Ukraine gave Russia's invasion some kind of legitimate purpose; and that it also is a strong reason for us to not side with Ukraine.
When tacitly or explicitly pro-Russian posters here in this thread are criticizing Western governments, you will regularly hear stuff along the lines of "we are sending billions of weapons to a nazi regime".


Keeping them in check... as in "organizing them in paramilitary mercenary groups which do the dirty work for Russia's military"?

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Aug 25 2023 07:28am

i said multiple times here, that the "gotta invade to get rid of the nazis" narrative to justify the invasion

ukraine still has a nazi problem, entire batallions are running around with swastikas, in western ukraine stepan bandera (a ukranian supremacist, nazi and holocaust participant) is a hero

nationalists have significant power, they burned people alive in odessa (these guys burning people has a history btw), they killed thousands of civilians in eastern ukraine and tried to purge everything russian in crimea

putin then chose his favorite playbook "gotta protect my people"

what a listed above is more than enough to not support ukraine and thats not even talking about what a hyper corrupt gangster state they are

and to make things even better i read some fresh news today on how all nordstream investigations lead straight to ukraine

2023 germany supports a gangster regime with a nazi problem that is responsible for wrecking our economy and pushing millions into poverty

How many billions worth of military equipment has the west sent to Wagner? The stuff they captured doesn't count ofc

just your typical kremlin bot take. straight from pootin's mouth.

right, let's just ignore that the strong anti-russian sentiments and movements to suppress russian nationalism within ukraine (that part is true) only flared up AFTER russia had militarily INVADED AND OCCUPIED CRIMEA, and after unmarked russian troops as well as kremlin aligned nationalists instigated an escalation by SEIZING GOVERNMENT FACILITIES in donbas. were innocent civilians collateral damage of the ensuing military conflict? absolutely - and literally no one denies that. all i'm saying is tell the full story, not just the parts YOU (and the kremlin) like in order to make russia's military aggression a more acceptable "bothsidesism"...

you always try to make it sound like ukrainians woke up one day, and just out of the blue went all fascist on unsuspecting and innocent ethnic russians. that's of course utter bullshit, it's pure propaganda - ANY country that was repeatedly invaded by its neighbour would develop strong nationalist sentiments against the aggressor.




meanwhile in reality, the russian military has a significant percentage of neo-nazis and sympathisers amongst its ranks, far-right ideology is widespread within russian society (much more prominent than even in ukraine for example, let alone most western nations), and wagner group for example was founded by a neo-nazi. no reasonable person would call that "keeping them in check", lol. as a matter of fact, pootin actively promotes far-right nationalist ideas.

https://www.latrobe.edu.au/news/articles/2022/opinion/russias-long-history-of-neo-nazis
https://www.euronews.com/2023/04/13/when-russia-calls-others-nazis-it-should-be-taking-a-hard-look-at-itself

good to see you finally came around to calling yanukovich's actions what they really were though. violating the constitution and unilaterally withdrawing from agreed upon deals on russia's order, as well as subsequently killing more than one hundred protesters, before fleeing to his true home, russia, should really be called a "violent coup" attempt.

Meanwhile in reality my ass mr NATO shill

Reality is the 2008 NATO summit, reality is the EU-Ukraine Association Agreement, reality is the EU paying Ukraine's colossal gas bills to Gazprom, reality is Western politicians (McCain, Verhofstadt) speaking @Maidan Square.

Go fact-check that

This post was edited by Djunior on Aug 25 2023 10:54am

Der Spiegel and ZDF journalists released an investigation (paywalled) pointing to Ukranian saboteurs. Below is the link in OCCRP quoting the investigation.

https://www.occrp.org/en/daily/17961-der-spiegel-probe-into-nord-stream-blast-points-to-ukrainian-specialists

Should Germany invoke article 5 and ask NATO to help defend against Ukraine if this proves to be correct?