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Aug 24 2023 01:42pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Aug 24 2023 09:24pm)
quite a lot, for very little return on investment.

but sending 3% of our military budget to Ukraine is a hell of a lot better deal than spending 75% of our military budget in Iraq/Afghanistan.


Agree with the first part. We'll see about the second part.


Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Aug 24 2023 09:32pm)
This is the epitome of moving the goalposts.


Now the escalating costs of these shit shows may not be mentioned? Sorry I hurt your feelings again

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Aug 24 2023 01:51pm
Quote (Djunior @ Aug 24 2023 02:42pm)
Agree with the first part. We'll see about the second part.




Now the escalating costs of these shit shows may not be mentioned? Sorry I hurt your feelings again


its hard to argue that 3% to combat the Chino-Russian alliance is not money well spent compared to 75% to combat cave dwelling goat fondlers. its spending pennies on the dollar to combat an actual enemy.

i dont even support the war, or aid for that matter, but this is just simple accounting.
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Aug 24 2023 01:59pm
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its hard to argue that 3% to combat the Chino-Russian alliance is not money well spent compared to 75% to combat cave dwelling goat fondlers. its spending pennies on the dollar to combat an actual enemy.

i dont even support the war, or aid for that matter, but this is just simple accounting.


That 3% isn't accurate accounting because you fail to take into account the costs of inflation, the energy crisis last year and costs for NATO allies (the Euros) that were hit particularly hard by their own sanctions.

Also this has just started and has the potential to drag on for years.
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Aug 24 2023 02:20pm
Quote (Djunior @ Aug 24 2023 02:59pm)
That 3% isn't accurate accounting because you fail to take into account the costs of inflation, the energy crisis last year and costs for NATO allies (the Euros) that were hit particularly hard by their own sanctions.

Also this has just started and has the potential to drag on for years.


3% is still accurate, as its the % of our military budget.

but you can balloon it to 10% or w/e as a "real cost" and its still better than what we spent in Iraq and Afghanistan. drag on for years? did u miss the middle east wars? they took decades.

you can try and spin this however you want, it's still basic math. the afghan and iraq war cost about 4-5 trillion dollars, at the minimum, in early 2000s $.

so that's 4000 billion. since Biden took office we've sent about 75 billion $. without even taking into account inflation, because im lazy, the war needs to drag on for about 53x as long as it already has.

but who knows, maybe Putin's grandson will sign the peace treaty.
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Aug 24 2023 03:16pm
Quote (Neptunus @ Aug 24 2023 12:36pm)
No sane West-leaning people wanted Putin's regime to be replaced by the Wagner folk. It wasn't so in mainstream media and it wasn't so anywhere else in real life.Everyone knew what atrocities were enacted upon by Wagner. A big talking point in my country's media was how unknown a future with a toppled Russian regime would be like. The people who actually talk politics were concerned about a power vacuum.

Follower count on social media is going through inflation because people follow whatever really with low thresholds of doing so.

And finally, is there something wrong about being anti-Russian? The regime is killing itsdissidemts unashamedfully


No, they wanted Russia to implode, which if Wagner would of succeeded, Russia would of been in disarray. It's not that people in the west and other countries supported Wagner, it's that they were cheering them on and hoping they would succeed so Russia would be hurt, as you say because of a power vacuum. Oh and that random tweet has now over 800k views, and there are dozens of accounts like that. So much for random opinions not representative of reality :wacko:

And you can be anti-Russian, that's your choice in life, idc lol. It doesn't really matter to me that countries like yours are banning Russian arts and athletes, at least they're representative of its citizens (like you).

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No, they wanted Russia to implode, which if Wagner would of succeeded, Russia would of been in disarray. It's not that people in the west and other countries supported Wagner, it's that they were cheering them on and hoping they would succeed so Russia would be hurt, as you say because of a power vacuum. Oh and that random tweet has now over 800k views, and there are dozens of accounts like that. So much for random opinions not representative of reality :wacko:

And you can be anti-Russian, that's your choice in life, idc lol. It doesn't really matter to me that countries like yours are banning Russian arts and athletes.


I have been playing a few pieces of Rachmaninov and Scriabin even harder.
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Aug 24 2023 03:32pm
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No, they wanted Russia to implode, which if Wagner would of succeeded, Russia would of been in disarray. It's not that people in the west and other countries supported Wagner, it's that they were cheering them on and hoping they would succeed so Russia would be hurt, as you say because of a power vacuum. Oh and that random tweet has now over 800k views, and there are dozens of accounts like that. So much for random opinions not representative of reality :wacko:

And you can be anti-Russian, that's your choice in life, idc lol. It doesn't really matter to me that countries like yours are banning Russian arts and athletes, at least they're representative of its citizens (like you).


Who's "they"? Your imaginary enemies in the West? Youre inferring reality from Twitter and dont see a problem in it.

It's not being anti-Russian in terms of ethnicity. Plenty of ethnic Russians even in Ukraine opposing this war. It's about being anti-Russian in terms of the state. Anyone who isn't condoning the war is not to be antagonized in my view. Anyone who condones it... well, they chose their sides first. The state is behind this war so its obviously justifiable. Anything else now?

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Aug 24 2023 03:38pm
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Who's "they"? Your imaginary enemies in the West? Youre inferring reality from Twitter and dont see a problem in it.

It's not being anti-Russian in terms of ethnicity. Plenty of ethnic Russians even in Ukraine opposing this war. It's about being anti-Russian in terms of the state. Anyone who isn't condoning the war is not to be antagonized in my view. Anyone who condones it... well, they chose their sides first. The state is behind this war so its obviously justifiable. Anything else now?


Lol imaginary. NAFO isn't a thing, please ignore thousands of anti-Russian accounts on various social media, please ignore this 3k page thread filled with anti-Russian sentiment excitedly posting about any (however small) Russian fumbling. It's all a mirage, don't trust your lying eyes.

I asked you if it's not the millions of posts and many of these publics accounts with huge clout, who should we turn to for accurate representation of reality? You've yet to give me the reliable alternative that you'd suggest.

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Aug 24 2023 04:05pm
On topic,
Ukraine took parts of Rabotyno under control according to themselves. According to Russians, a huge amount of personel and vehicles are being amassed at Orekhov direction. Ukraine is possibly going all out to reach Tokmak and then towards Crimea. Russia is amassing troops at the northern front, a bit like sicilian defense in chess.
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Aug 24 2023 04:24pm
Quote (babun1024 @ Aug 24 2023 07:05pm)
On topic,
Ukraine took parts of Rabotyno under control according to themselves. According to Russians, a huge amount of personel and vehicles are being amassed at Orekhov direction. Ukraine is possibly going all out to reach Tokmak and then towards Crimea. Russia is amassing troops at the northern front, a bit like sicilian defense in chess.


Never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line!
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