I dont know enough about this aspect to comment, other then it is widely known America spends some coins on defense spending. My impression is that America would be better off improving its infrastructure (transport, services etc) and improving its foundation while at the same time the 2 political parties need to seriously consider moving away from party politics and agreeing on common ground where possible for things other then war, in order to put America in a better (long term) position. I accept that looks like communism but it is what it is.
staying on topic I seem to recall the expression "bothsidesism" being directed at me. I would rather say I am neutral. anyway touching on the latest narrative in the topic, here are different versions of the Bucha story:
i accept this is very long so TLDR: I would tend to agree with the Western Narrative here re: atrocities committed by Russia in Bucha and surrounding area.
this is from the BBC (England):
The UN Secretary General, Antonio Guterres has called for an independent investigation into "the images of civilians killed in Bucha, Ukraine". After Russian troops withdrew from the town on the outskirts of Kyiv, images of bodies lying in the streets subsequently emerged and members of media organisations also saw corpses. Ukraine accused Russia of a "deliberate massacre" - but Russia has said it was "staged" after its forces withdrew from the area. It made a series of unfounded claims about the footage from Bucha. Claim: 'Faked dead bodies'
After the Russian withdrawal, footage taken from a car as it drove through the town showed bodies on either side of the road. The Russian Embassy in Canada tweeted the video, with the caption "staged video showing faked dead bodies in the town of Bucha near Kiev". But in satellite imagery taken of Bucha on 19 March - almost two weeks before Russian troops withdrew from the area - what appear to be bodies can be seen on the roadside.
this is from TASS (Russia):
Russian Security Council deputy chairman noted that "enraged beasts from nationalist battalions and territorial defense forces are ready to casually kill their own civilians in a bid to dehumanize Russia and tarnish its image as much as possible"
this is from Foxnews (America): (btw this is Zelensky being quoted)
"I’ve visited our cities in the Kyiv region, which we liberated from the occupiers: Stoyanka, Irpin, Bucha," Zelenskyy said in his daily address shortly after midnight Tuesday. "Of course, now this area does not look like yesterday. The bodies of killed people, killed Ukrainians have already been taken from most streets. But in the yards, in the houses, the dead still remain." "We have just begun an investigation into all that the occupiers have done," the president added. "At present, there is information about more than three hundred people killed and tortured in Bucha alone. It is likely that the list of victims will be much larger when the whole city is checked. And this is only one city. One of the many Ukrainian communities that the Russian military managed to seize."
this is from Al Jazeera (Quatar):
Zelenskyy says 300 killed in Bucha. Ukrainian president urges investigation into alleged war crimes as he prepares to address the UN Security Council.
this is from India:
Bucha's mayor said 300 residents had been killed during a month-long occupation by the Russian army. Reuters could not immediately verify the allegations by Arestovych and Fedoruk. Ukraine's foreign minister called on the International Criminal Court to collect evidence of what he called Russian war crimes, while the foreign ministers of France and Britain said their countries would support any such probe. However, legal experts say a prosecution of Putin or other Russian leaders would face high hurdles and could take years. Human Rights Watch said it had documented "several cases of Russian military forces committing laws-of-war violations" in the Ukrainian regions of Chernihiv, Kharkiv and Kyiv. Ukraine's Prosecutor General Iryna Venediktova said prosecutors investigating possible war crimes by Russia had found 410 bodies in towns near Kyiv, of which 140 had been examined.
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in the aftermath of Russian withdrawal from the area it is more plausible that these crimes were committed, noting this is not a unique situation in history, but rather the aftermath of the exercise.
This post was edited by ferdia on Apr 5 2022 04:32am