you can be both weak and barbaric (which he is)

you completely kid yourself about "balanced view"

Homo erotica:
politics/interests that require quest line of bombing dirty brown and (yellow people not aligned with US) = morally Ok
politics/interests that require quest line of bombing Ukranians = morally bad
--> world/human history starts in year 2023.

Truth:
Politics/interest are amoral and lead to conflict, it doesn´t matter if you are a "pure Aryan", or "Russian orc", both have been given 2 arms to fight with and the end justifies the means --> this has been the rule of law since the beginning of human history.
Your view is either you are with us or you are not balanced. No point in any further discussion. bye.

This post was edited by ownyaah on Aug 23 2023 10:43pm

Other than perhaps Proximity, I can't think of any regular PaRDian who didn't immediately stress that Prigozhin is a butcher and that him taking over from Putin would lead to an escalation of the war. Most of us were also dismissive about the actual chances of the Wagner coup. What made some of us giddy and gloating was how Putin had obviously lost control over his own creation, it was a nice moment of karma biting him in the ass.



The Wagner insurrectionists didn't shoot down arbitrary planes, they shot down those which were attacking their convoy in an act of self-defense.
"You didn't let yourself get killed by the bombers your opponents sent after you, therefore, you are sentenced to death."

I had a bit more respect for you than the average poster here. That is gone with those 2 sentences.

As for prigozhin, considering his ties with surovikin would´ve marched into kiev with 2 million man or nuked it into oblivion.

This post was edited by ownyaah on Aug 23 2023 10:45pm

no point in further discussion but you circle jerk yourselves for 3k + pages.
Lot of BS to find reasons to be "OK" with RU aggression, that keeps widening from remember.. ?"there were troops in that hotel, so that makes it ok" laughable BS.
The "not targeting civilians" phase.
Yes I know Ukraine is full of Nazi's LOL

Lets make things simple:
If russians win, they win
If Nato/ukraine wins, they win.

Both outcomes are motivated by perceived self-interests, and none of this crying matters in any shape or form. Anyhow, there is nothing in this topic worthy of consideration, low-tier circle jerks that aren´t even funny.

This post was edited by ownyaah on Aug 23 2023 10:56pm

Ukrainians: "We want to be a sovereign nation. Oh, and it would be nice if we didn't have to spend every other night in bunkers because of missile alarms."
ownyaah: *something something* perceived self-interest...

I'll give you a few examples of why i often use the word "percieved self-interests", the reason I do so is because they might be wrong/misleading and completely false long term. Just because an action (percieved) with a goal (percieved) in mind is carried out doesn´t mean it will achieve that goal, or even that the goal is favorable:

1. (2019) I am Ukranian, i vote for Zelensky because he will make peace with Russians, I think this is in my interest. (turns into a war)
2. We will invade Iraq and take all that oil, because we are dependent on importing oil. (shale boom, iran gains hold in iraq, massive anti-us sentiment)
3. I am strong russian soldier who will take kiev (dies in Kiev, russia collapses 35 days later, died for nothing)
4. Zelensky: i will refuse to sign the istanbul deal and we will win the war decisively, thanks boris johnson! "queue 2030" war continues with no end in sight, Crimean land-bridge still stands and we have lost 500k soldiers dead
5. Putin: We need to keep ukraine from joining nato, we should invade and swiftly take kiev but with minimal forces and little to no artillery used on kiev (LOL we saw that one)
6. Lets keep arming ukraine and turn it into a powerful meatgrinder for the russians (2027 ukraine is hit with strategic nuclear weapons and half of europe is destroyed)

As for missiles and bunker alarms, perhaps the self-interest isn´t to create a situation that leads to total diplomatic breakdown rather than "try" to win a war (which might not be possible)? Or perhaps you are wrong, the ukranians are doing perfectly fine dancing to missile larms becuase they will win win, in which case the miscalculated "percieved self-interest" applies to the russians. You assume i was talking about self-interest of ukranians and they alone, but it was written to apply to all parties involved, biased monkey

Eitherway, dont @me again. This topic is a waste of time, watching old people decomposing is more stimulating..

This post was edited by ownyaah on Aug 23 2023 11:47pm

Oh look another pro authoritarian that hates western values but still lives there to take advantage of the superior education and freedom.