More precisely: Circle Jerk in-between "Oh look, West is Evil and democracies are fake" AND "Gulag & Laogai aren't that bad after all, much stability".


/e Reading that Ukraine needs 10-15 more kilometers advance to be in range of Southern supply routes.

This post was edited by Meanwhile on Aug 23 2023 05:57pm

The West isn't sending their best...

They trigger a feeling. And letting it out how "gotcha, you were wrong" when nobody asked for it qualifies as a rant.

The narrative you described isnt rooted in reality. Some sensationalist media has possibly portrayed Prigozhin and Wagner as freedom fighters, but its not the general narrative, everyone i know and most of the media i watched here hasnt been saying that Prigozhin is a hero. Its just memes and imaginary enemies youre painting here.

Twitter handle i posted is a Polish account with over 500k followers that is and has been fairly anti-Russian since the war started. So if the choice is between what someone like them says about Prighozin or a random like you, i'm going to go with the one with the clout (no offense to you i'm sure you're very important to your cat) and you can clearly see them painting him as being loved by the masses.

I love the irony that me posting this elicited your attention (this is what triggered actually looks like). Oh, and just a heads up, typically a rant constitutes a little more than 2 sentences.

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Aug 23 2023 06:05pm

>Twitter

Theres your problem. Twitter opinions dont matter in real life. They distort your point of view and theyre designed to elicit a strong response.

Prigozhin did have his supporters, yes. I believe its a valid point that he was loved by ultranationalists and the Russian meme-o-sphere. But saying that is not the same as saying theyre good freedom fighters aiming for liberation.

It would be ironic if i was oblivious of it. Took a few months for me to realize all i was doing in the Russia-Ukraine media outlets was getting triggered by contrarians online, while irl i have never met a single one. So im pretty much done with it, im rather trying to spread the good news

Twitter is the actual public square of our life. Twitter opinions of an account with 500+k followers and that specific post garnering already 300+k views don't matter and aren't representative to you but i'd like to hear what is then? CNN? Your opinion?

Fact of the matter millions of anti-Russian accounts on Twitter and even plenty of other corners of the internet, even pard were giddy about the prospect of Russian implosion at the hands of Prigozhin not that long ago, excited and hopeful about the potential Russian collapse yet you in 'We were never at war with east Asia' revisionist fashion want to pretend that wasn't a sentiment that was held not that long ago.

IRL not many talk about these type of things, most use the internet, with Twitter being one of the better spaces to track it.

When Putin let Prigozhin off the hook, he was considered weak. Now that he has had him killed, he's considered barbaric. Between the two, I would agree with the saying that it's better to be feared than loved.

I already explained why I think this logic is flawed; at best, it just brings new problems.

This post was edited by Meanwhile on Aug 23 2023 07:02pm

as a 3rd party with no horse in the race.. you arent any better.

me, ferdia, hamsterbaby and a few others are capable of holding a balanced view, rest are mentally depleted on both sides.

RU-supporters say all US/Nato does is pure evil (hint its not, its politics), therefore they are justified in doing whatever they want (hint, they dont need a moral justification in the first place)
US supporters say all west/nato does is pure good, and everyone else is pure evil, especially if they aren´t pure breed "white aryans" (P.S human history started in year 2022 and everything else is fantasy)

This post was edited by ownyaah on Aug 23 2023 07:33pm

We all know that Putin is a brutal dictator. We already know that he has people killed. What we didn't know is that he was weak enough to let Prigozhin throw a revolt and then walk around alive. Now Prigozhin is dead. Would it be better had Putin managed the conflict between MoD and Wagner such that both could have coexisted? Of course, but this is clearly the better of two poor options.