Trench warfare.
They have been dug in for quite a while.
Welcome to the front.

Like I've already said in my earlier reply to you, an energy embargo against Russia would ask a lot more than just "some sacrifices" from my country. It would trigger a massive recession, probably worse than the Great Recession, cause a lot of corporations from the chemical industry and other energy-intensive industries to relocate to other places and take hundreds of thousands of jobs with them, and drastically increase poverty due to stagflation.

You gotta keep in mind that an economically strong Germany is desperately needed in the current situation. We are expected to keep the euro afloat (the French and Italians surely aren't the ones maintaining the currency's credibility). We are expected to house and feed hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian refugees already (chances are that this number rises into 7-figure territory before everything is said and done). We are expected to decarbonize our economy and society (which requires funding, materials and also energy). We are expected to invest heavily into our military. We are expected to fund arms and food supplies for Ukraine, and to pay for a big chunk of the rebuilding of their nation once the war is over. And all of these expenses and investments are imminent against the backdrop of covid straining both our public finances and the willingness of the people to make sacrifices as well as already very high inflation rates.



I might be rationalizing a selfish position here, but I genuinely don't think that it is in Europe's or Ukraine's interest for Germany to shoot itself in the foot with a self-imposed embargo on Russian gas. Phasing out Russian gas over the next 1-3 years is the far more sensible approach.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Apr 4 2022 09:02pm

1) See yourself
2) Everytime someone makes a point, you go REMEMBER THE TIME YOU SEXUALIZED MY KEED
3) See this post
4) See this post.

Don't know anyone that has died but I have a ton of extended family impacted probably a fair bit more than you, and like Black said Germany is already doing way more than we are here, or any other country maybe besides like Poland. I talked to my cousin yesterday who lives in Germany, he's married to an Ukrainian. His mother in law arrived to Germany from Ukraine a few weeks back. Germany is giving her a 360 euro monthly allowance plus food vouchers that she can use to get a decent amount of food. That's where rubber meets the road mate. Asking them to basically say no to Russian gas which will result in German industry to essentially power off would be magnitudes worse off not only for Germans but Ukrainians and pretty much all of Europe considering Germany is the EU economic powerhouse. It also assumes that if this happens Russia will just magically stop which is a stretch. Like if Germany does this and Russia continues the war then what? Europe fucked herself for no real good reason.

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Apr 4 2022 09:21pm

Poland is definitely doing more than us. They don't/can't give refugees the same generous benefits, but they're housing over 2 million of them and are less than half as big as Germany. They're also the most willing to ship arms to Ukraine and the loudest voice for harsher sanctions inside the EU. The reason for this is of course that the Polish are scared shitless of Russia. Also, their political leader Jaroslaw Kasczynski is a fervent Russia-hater. Always has been, but even more so since his brother died in a plane crash on a Russian airfield in 2010 which Kasczynski considers a Russian hit job.




That's basically the reasoning our political leaders are giving for their rejection of a gas embargo: "sanctions must hurt him (Putin) more than us".

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Apr 4 2022 09:32pm

That's just Sh00p.

But good to know you've publicly and officially admitted to being a defender of pedos. I mean we always knew but good on you for finally being honest with yourself

lol so desparate

No surprise there, Poland has been on the butt end of Russo / soviet lust for conquest for like 400 years.

Talk about a shitty spawn location, sandwiched between Germans, Russians, with no natural defenses at all

You're 100% correct that America should be doing more. Unfortunately, this country is full of selfish pricks so I don't think the American people will do the right thing. Also, Biden is quite the dove and I wish we had someone who was willing to push the envelope a bit more in terms of weapons and personnel. Perhaps this is the most prudent course of action though. We'll just have to see.

The least we can do is take more refugees. America is much larger and we could afford to take a couple million.

Boomers were totally unwilling to sacrifice even the smallest things for the greater good and stopped public investment.

Now the belief in the system is shattered so nobody in the generations after sees it as their responsibility to participate because the system is so flawed.

And we have the breakdown of social cohesion.

But the fundamental thing is the breakdown wasn't because of dirty liberals and their new ways of thinking. It was because boomers selfishly stopped public investment and decided to turn the world over to corporations so they could keep their pensions going up a little faster.

This post was edited by NetflixAdaptationWidow on Apr 4 2022 10:05pm