Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jun 30 2021 06:46pm)

Quote (Black XistenZ @ 1 Jul 2021 00:39)

Some very interesting words from Prof. Robert Dingwall, a member of the UK's Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) as well as its New and Emerging Respiratory Virus Threat Advisory Group (NERVTAG).
He's speaking out against the vaccination of schoolchildren and says that for them, natural immunization via infection might be preferable to the risks of new and not yet exhaustively tested vaccines:


https://twitter.com/rwjdingwall/status/1410177453876731915


I'm definitely not an antivaxxer and will get the shot myself, but imho, he's spot on when it comes to children and teens.

Quote (Saucisson6000 @ 1 Jul 2021 12:07)

It's spreading and rotting into younger population, UK cases is increasing alot last week, will eventually mutate again.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ 1 Jul 2021 11:17)

the younger population is largely not at risk from covid, they almost exclusively have mild courses of the disease if they catch it. among the under-18 age group, covid is indeed not much different from the flu.
for example, the German pediatric society has released a report a couple of weeks ago on this issue. there were the hundreds of thousands of covid cases among children so far, which have resulted in 9 children dying with covid, of which 4 actually died from covid. (the other 5 were found in child hospices or otherwise receiving "palliative care", that is, they were already terminally ill before catching covid.)

of course the virus will mutate, but based on case numbers and population size, Europe and North America will not contribute meaningfully to the global infection numbers either way, so the likelihood that a problematic new variant is developed here is small compared to the risk of such a variant emerging somewhere in Africa, Latin America or Asia.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jul 1 2021 04:17am)

So what? The younger population is largely not at risk from covid, they almost exclusively have mild courses of the disease if they catch it. Among the under-18 age group, covid is indeed not much different from the flu.
To illustrate the magnitude: the German pediatric society has released a report a couple of weeks ago on this issue. There were hundreds of thousands of covid cases among children so far, which have resulted in 9 children dying with covid, of which 4 actually died from covid. (The other 5 cases were reported from child hospices or patients otherwise receiving "palliative care", that is, these 5 were already terminally ill before catching covid.)

Of course the virus will mutate, but based on case numbers, vaccination rates and population size, Europe and North America will not contribute meaningfully to the global infection numbers either way. Thus, the likelihood that a problematic new variant is developed here is really small compared to the risk of such a variant emerging somewhere in Africa, Latin America or Asia.

Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Jul 1 2021 04:30am)

"young being at risk" is not my point, I am simply pointing out that cancelling (or diminishing) distancing or even vaccination will increase the spread and then possible mutations within these young groups.
Later spreading to older generations: I am talking about ~35 or less, not 18-. Seems you are trying to restrict the problematic. Still addicated to the Grand Cull theory ? :lol:

Quote (Saucisson6000 @ 1 Jul 2021 13:30)

"young being at risk" is not my point, I am simply pointing out that cancelling (or diminishing) distancing or even vaccination will increase the spread and then possible mutations within these young groups.
Later spreading to older generations: I am talking about ~35 or less, not 18-. Seems you are trying to restrict the problematic. Still addicated to the Grand Cull theory ? :lol:

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jul 1 2021 04:38am)

We should of course not drop all restrictions before the vaccination campaign for the adults wraps up. But once this point is reached, the question of how to handle the unvaccinated children will become pressing, particularly with the start of the new school year in fall.
The options basically are:

1. keep schools open even with low vaccination rates among children.
2. force or pressure children into taking the vaccine.
3. close schools again when infection numbers among schoolchildren inevitably go up.

#3 is the worst option, so we will have to choose between subjecting our children to the vaccines or let them acquire immunity via natural infection.

They will not spread it to older generations btw, all serious studies show that schoolchildren are not the drivers of the spread. And even if they did, why should we care as long as the older generations have all been vaccinated (or are unvaccinated out of their own volition)?




Calling natural infections among an age group for which the virus has an Infection Fatality Rate (IFR) of something like 0.1 promille "The Great Cull" is inadequate and ridiculous.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ 1 Jul 2021 11:38)

We should of course not drop all restrictions before the vaccination campaign for the adults wraps up. But once this point is reached, the question of how to handle the unvaccinated children will become pressing, particularly with the start of the new school year in fall.
The options basically are:

1. keep schools open even with low vaccination rates among children.
2. force or pressure children into taking the vaccine.
3. close schools again when infection numbers among schoolchildren inevitably go up.

#3 is the worst option, so we will have to choose between subjecting our children to the vaccines or let them acquire immunity via natural infection.

They will not spread it to older generations btw, all serious studies show that schoolchildren are not the drivers of the spread. And even if they did, why should we care as long as the older generations have all been vaccinated (or are unvaccinated out of their own volition)?




Calling natural infections among an age group for which the virus has an Infection Fatality Rate (IFR) of something like 0.1 promille "The Great Cull" is inadequate and ridiculous.

Quote (Saucisson6000 @ 1 Jul 2021 13:43)

Young children is not the same than students, btw interesting that students or young workers could have vulnerable parents.