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Apr 4 2022 05:54pm
Holy hell is this thread juicy. Never thought I’d pour over jsp pages outside of a d2 lld item search. Here I thought I’d get more information, further insight, and a benefit of differing opinions.. Now I’m just keeping tabs on silly shit storm arguments between folks. This thread is Le Tits Now.
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Apr 4 2022 05:57pm
Quote (bogie160 @ Apr 4 2022 04:50pm)
China has a million people detained in reeducation / forced rape / forced sterilization facilities. I don't know, that strikes me as orders of magnitude worse.


I suppose it depends on how much you value another country's sovereignty. Yes, China is deplorable and we should do what we can to ensure they don't commit a long term genocide but they haven't done a similar amount of damage to another country. Russia, on the other hand, spawned one of the largest refugee crises in the world, committed (and continue to do so) dozens of war crimes, and likely killed at least 10,000 Ukrainian soldiers. In addition, they've caused hundreds of millions of billions of dollars worth of damage and their actions could cause hundreds of millions of people to starve within the next year. I guess we can reevaluate once the war is over, but right now, I think Russia is worse simply due to the fact that I value international order.
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Apr 4 2022 06:03pm
Quote (fender @ Apr 4 2022 02:09pm)
most of what you say.


The criteria for PARD's leftoid hive to claim victory is so generous.

1) act so stupid or obnoxious that no one wants to talk to you
2) harp on one entirely tangential point endlessly, completely diverting from the purpose of the original topic, get accurately accused of strawman or deflection
3) claim they "don't have an argument"
4) claim victory

It's almost as bad as the smuggie who says "yeah but you made a typo so, looks like I win again better luck next time pal" and sometimes it's literally that. How sad and empty is your life?

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Apr 4 2022 06:07pm
Quote (thundercock @ Apr 4 2022 04:47pm)
The reality is that the people are bitter AF and refuse to look into the mirror to acknowledge their shortcomings. During the Soviet Union, Russians really WERE self-sustaining and they had the ability to do almost anything. Was it perfect? No, there were ton of inefficiencies. Was it totalitarian? You bet.

Now? They import 80% of their consumer goods. They are HEMORRHAGING talent and much of their industrial strength is diminished. These people are simply worse versions of your rust belt white trash heroin addict friends. It will take Russians several generations to accept their diminished role in the world.


Jesus christ your delusional Russophobia is off the charts.

Russia has got superior ballistic missile technology, superior anti-aircraft defense systems, and superior electronic warfare capabilities.

So how did the white trash heroin-addict Russians pull that one off, genius?
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Apr 4 2022 06:19pm
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I suppose it depends on how much you value another country's sovereignty. Yes, China is deplorable and we should do what we can to ensure they don't commit a long term genocide but they haven't done a similar amount of damage to another country. Russia, on the other hand, spawned one of the largest refugee crises in the world, committed (and continue to do so) dozens of war crimes, and likely killed at least 10,000 Ukrainian soldiers. In addition, they've caused hundreds of millions of billions of dollars worth of damage and their actions could cause hundreds of millions of people to starve within the next year. I guess we can reevaluate once the war is over, but right now, I think Russia is worse simply due to the fact that I value international order.


I would say it's really hard to compare Russia and China in this regard because their approaches are so different.

Russia tries to break down the international order via crude force.
China tries to subvert the international order and change it for their own benefit ; unlike the Russians, they aren't crude, they're patient and think in decades.
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Apr 4 2022 07:09pm
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Jesus christ your delusional Russophobia is off the charts.

Russia has got superior ballistic missile technology, superior anti-aircraft defense systems, and superior electronic warfare capabilities.

So how did the white trash heroin-addict Russians pull that one off, genius?


I haven't said anything controversial and a lot of the Russian intelligentsia would agree with my assessment. How many DNs do you know because I know many. The vast majority of societies are always carried by the 1-2% of elites in a population. Russia is no different and a substantial portion of the population is worthless just like it is in America.

If I'm Russophobic, why am I eating keelka and drinking tarhoon right now?
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Apr 4 2022 07:21pm
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I haven't said anything controversial and a lot of the Russian intelligentsia would agree with my assessment. How many DNs do you know because I know many. The vast majority of societies are always carried by the 1-2% of elites in a population. Russia is no different and a substantial portion of the population is worthless just like it is in America.

If I'm Russophobic, why am I eating keelka and drinking tarhoon right now?


Eating disorder (F50.8) may be?
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Apr 4 2022 07:47pm
Quote (thundercock @ Apr 4 2022 07:24pm)
No, because countries will still hesitate to aggravate a nuclear power. In addition, Russia has outsized economic power because certain countries have very weak people. These countries would rather ensure that all buildings are 27 degrees C than to do anything about thousands of civilians murdered.

I think that Russia's cyber warfare capabilities are on par with the US and China. Lastly, Russia's ability to conduct psy-op campaigns is probably the best in the world. They really know how to get countries to focus on their own internal issues as opposed to foreign policy issues.


Ze Germans worrying about ze German families and jobs is nothing new under the sun. What I find laughable is how people paying no price have the audacity to call others weak. I swear the people that yell the loudest about escalating and are most cavalier about how much others should suffer in the name of freedom are always the people least impacted.
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Ze Germans worrying about ze German families and jobs is nothing new under the sun. What I find laughable is how people paying no price have the audacity to call others weak. I swear the people that yell the loudest about escalating and are most cavalier about how much others should suffer in the name of freedom are always the people least impacted.


The contemporary political discourse is infested with demands which can be summed up as "you shall pay the price for my morality".
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Apr 4 2022 08:33pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ Apr 4 2022 06:47pm)
Ze Germans worrying about ze German families and jobs is nothing new under the sun. What I find laughable is how people paying no price have the audacity to call others weak. I swear the people that yell the loudest about escalating and are most cavalier about how much others should suffer in the name of freedom are always the people least impacted.


Well, I for one am definitely impacted. We have family friends in Eastern Ukraine. Do you know anyone who has died yet from the war?

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Apr 4 2022 06:56pm)
The contemporary political discourse is infested with demands which can be summed up as "you shall pay the price for my morality".


Probably because you don't care if people you don't know die. I'm the same way for the most part because people are always dying. We have hundreds of thousands die annually in Central America from the drug war and I don't think about it that much. I honestly think I'd be singing a different tune if I didn't know people in Eastern Ukraine. Still though, if I can sacrifice by avoiding as much Chinese shit as possible, you can surely thread the needle and make some sacrifices yourself.
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