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Aug 21 2023 12:32pm
"Ukraine Is Facing a Genocide"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Stanley

Jason Stanley believes that Russia is the most explicitly fascist regime since Nazi Germany and that Ukraine has been in a "colonial situation".
Stanley is the author of five books, including How Propaganda Works (2015) and How Fascism Works (2018).
As a philosopher of language and an authority on propaganda and fascism, Stanley's work often views contemporary politics and foreign affairs through the lens of Nazi Germany and the Holocaust.




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Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock answered a reporter's question about whether she would push for a quick decision on the delivery of the TAURUS missiles.

Baerbock has indirectly spoken out in favor of a quick decision by the federal government on the issue of a possible delivery of the Taurus cruise missile desired by Ukraine

"Over the last year and a half, I think we've had to go through the brutal experience that every day counts"



=> Like usual.
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#33392
Aug 21 2023 11:11pm
Quote (Meanwhile @ Aug 21 2023 02:32pm)
"Ukraine Is Facing a Genocide"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Stanley

Jason Stanley believes that Russia is the most explicitly fascist regime since Nazi Germany and that Ukraine has been in a "colonial situation".
Stanley is the author of five books, including How Propaganda Works (2015) and How Fascism Works (2018).
As a philosopher of language and an authority on propaganda and fascism, Stanley's work often views contemporary politics and foreign affairs through the lens of Nazi Germany and the Holocaust.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkFHEI7lgJs


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Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock answered a reporter's question about whether she would push for a quick decision on the delivery of the TAURUS missiles.

Baerbock has indirectly spoken out in favor of a quick decision by the federal government on the issue of a possible delivery of the Taurus cruise missile desired by Ukraine

"Over the last year and a half, I think we've had to go through the brutal experience that every day counts"



=> Like usual.


The end of communism is fascism. Left wing economic philosophy is so destructive as to bring about the conditions necessary for a national renewal to take place, and as leaders are forced to liberalize the economy, nationalism asserts itself as the only remaining viable tool of collective control.
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Aug 21 2023 11:31pm
Quote (Meanwhile @ Aug 21 2023 02:32pm)
"Ukraine Is Facing a Genocide"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Stanley

Jason Stanley believes that Russia is the most explicitly fascist regime since Nazi Germany and that Ukraine has been in a "colonial situation".
Stanley is the author of five books, including How Propaganda Works (2015) and How Fascism Works (2018).
As a philosopher of language and an authority on propaganda and fascism, Stanley's work often views contemporary politics and foreign affairs through the lens of Nazi Germany and the Holocaust.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkFHEI7lgJs


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Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock answered a reporter's question about whether she would push for a quick decision on the delivery of the TAURUS missiles.

Baerbock has indirectly spoken out in favor of a quick decision by the federal government on the issue of a possible delivery of the Taurus cruise missile desired by Ukraine

"Over the last year and a half, I think we've had to go through the brutal experience that every day counts"



=> Like usual.


Is that it? Is that all you can conjure, Saruman?
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Aug 21 2023 11:35pm
Quote (bogie160 @ Aug 22 2023 01:11am)
The end of communism is fascism. Left wing economic philosophy is so destructive as to bring about the conditions necessary for a national renewal to take place, and as leaders are forced to liberalize the economy, nationalism asserts itself as the only remaining viable tool of collective control.


It’s weird, I argue in a very similar way- my base is survival and taking the less of 2 evils.

Russia’s hand was forced, It’s silly that the actor in Ukraine thinks he’s in a “real” role even though it’s sad he’s using real lives. Ultimately, I think it would be super hard to negotiate peace, but it can be done. It takes humility- something America knows nothing of.

In a different way, America is the land of checkers, the world is playing chess, it won’t learn but it’ll offer you a hot dog
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Aug 22 2023 01:05am
Quote (bogie160 @ Aug 22 2023 12:11am)
The end of communism is fascism. Left wing economic philosophy is so destructive as to bring about the conditions necessary for a national renewal to take place, and as leaders are forced to liberalize the economy, nationalism asserts itself as the only remaining viable tool of collective control.


I think this risks being myopic. The original sin of communism is that its inherently unstable. From which all the consequences flow. Fascism is just one stable system that can supplant it, but its not exclusive nor inevitable. A shoddily built house might collapse, but it might also burn down, or be swept away in a flood, or simply rebuilt from the foundations up to be strong and stable. Communism can end in fascism, or a despotic dictatorship, or warlord tribalism, or foreign occupation, or simply be replaced by self-reinforcing capitalism. Its a common thread with the boogaloos and anarchists, predicting the chaos of a society's collapse and then having the hubris to think their ideology will rise from the ashes. If I could predict how it ends every time I'd be the next warren buffet
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Aug 22 2023 01:54am
Quote (colorful @ Aug 22 2023 06:35am)
It’s weird, I argue in a very similar way- my base is survival and taking the less of 2 evils.

Russia’s hand was forced, It’s silly that the actor in Ukraine thinks he’s in a “real” role even though it’s sad he’s using real lives. Ultimately, I think it would be super hard to negotiate peace, but it can be done. It takes humility- something America knows nothing of.

In a different way, America is the land of checkers, the world is playing chess, it won’t learn but it’ll offer you a hot dog


I dont think Ukriane is anywhere near a peace deal. Unless all these polls are completely wrong, the vast majority of Ukrainians still believe that they can win the war, reclaim all their land (including Crimea) and become a part of Nato. In this scenario, no Ukrainian Government can discuss peace or negotiation. If you tell the people something, and reinforce it for years, you can't simply turn around one day and say "hey we were wrong". Just look at Brexit in the UK. A sizeable population still believe that Brexit was the best thing that happened to them and that their problem is migrants on boats.

With this view, a fundamental shift would be required to change the position. No such shift is envisaged on the horizon (either in Ukraine or England).

This post was edited by ferdia on Aug 22 2023 02:06am
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#33397
Aug 22 2023 04:52am
Quote (Meanwhile @ 21 Aug 2023 14:31)
No Brics for Valdimir this year. Only on TV (not even sure) :(


https://www.newsweek.com/growing-brics-bloc-shows-us-losing-battle-global-south-1821451
Didn't hurt Russia at all that Putin wasn't there in person, sorry to disappoint.
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#33398
Aug 22 2023 05:01am
Quote (bogie160 @ 22 Aug 2023 07:11)
The end of communism is fascism. Left wing economic philosophy is so destructive as to bring about the conditions necessary for a national renewal to take place, and as leaders are forced to liberalize the economy, nationalism asserts itself as the only remaining viable tool of collective control.


First, I think it is easier to reason in terms of vectors: In all cases you have to use popular masses: "communism" works well for this, but religion (including leader cultism), xenophobia and nationalim (especially during a crisis like in WW2II Germany), can be very appealing too !
So all extremes or even deviant systems not allowing minimal equalities, education, rights and so on representative uncorrupted & renewed political power... are leading, soon or later, to genocides or atrocities.
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#33399
Aug 22 2023 05:09am
Quote (Meanwhile @ Aug 22 2023 12:01pm)
First, I think it is easier to reason in terms of vectors: In all cases you have to use popular masses: "communism" works well for this, but religion (including leader cultism), xenophobia and nationalim (especially during a crisis like in WW2II Germany), can be very appealing too !
So all extremes or even deviant systems not allowing minimal equalities, education, rights and so on representative uncorrupted & renewed political power... are leading, soon or later, to genocides or atrocities.


This sounds great and all but then you have to only look at American,English and French genocides to realise that this thought is like a pile of dominoes, easily knocked over. If you have a ideology/system that does not lead to genocides and atrocities, give an example. Its quite hard to get beyond the genocide of an entire continent (american indians) and well, as you know the english and the french have invaded virtually every country on the planet give or take 25, so democracy and capitalism are not looking any better then communism etc.

This post was edited by ferdia on Aug 22 2023 05:13am
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