Hard to believe



Google translate:
https://i.imgur.com/89wNbud.png

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This post was edited by Meanwhile on Aug 20 2023 06:33pm

True, but currently to a lesser extent. How is this an excuse?

That sounds like not putting up a fight and just giving up.

Hard to believe people in the west are supporting a proxy war vs Russia lol

This post was edited by aintiswift on Aug 20 2023 06:35pm

That is not an excuse, you pointed it out so I just draw parallels. Furthermore depending on your culture, political leanings and the situation you might be in, the lesser extent might be considered a greater extent. It works both ways.
So it is difficult to put such discourse in place to have a fair conversation and it always create overly passionate debates that doesn't seem to have any conclusion.

more like not caring enough. This is the world we live in, for better or worse. I don't refuse to eat meat because some animals live in a crate their whole life, I just don't care
I've said before, the plight of the Ukrainian people doesn't really matter to me. It should be their own self-determination, their own responsibility to seek their own interests when they conflict with their western overlords prodding them into suicidal combat. What matters to me is our own country's geopolitical interests, which are being undermined by neoliberal aggression. When we're forfeiting our petrodollar hegemony and driving allies into China's camp and aligning our enemies with each other, that's what matters. If a bunch of Ukrainian Nazis were marching to their deaths and it actually served our interests I'd be mostly disinterested but not tell them to stop either.

Do you think it would have been wise for the Foreign Policy Establishment to worked out with the Russians before the drama and fix their relationship.
Work out a deal so that China doesn't have access via Central Asia, continue with the TPP Framework thus containing and choke China's Belt and Road ambitions.

I always told my friends that in such discussions. I am sure Kissinger will do something similar as it mirrors what he did during the peak of the Cold War with the Soviet Bloc by reaching out to China.
This would have re balance the world and allow more time for the United States to fix internal strive and problems.

The end result will be sacrificing the Ukraine card, but that is minimal damage as compared to what it is now.

But that is just my opinion as naive as it sounds.

This post was edited by Hamsterbaby on Aug 20 2023 06:57pm

Netherlands and Denmark to donate up to 61 F-16 fighter jets to Ukraine.



help me i can't see beyond my nose

I mean what would we be sacrificing? It was Russia's sphere of influence to begin with, going back hundreds of years. What we get is a bunch of refugees and blasted ruins in the poorest part of the poorest country of europe. Aligning Russia with us, against China, is just the logical move to oppose Chinese supremacy in the next 100 years. The fact we went the exact opposite tack is evidence China is more in control of our policy than we are.

Well, it shows why a lot of people think that Biden, Nuland and Friends are low level thinkers.
School Boy mistakes.