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Aug 20 2023 12:54am
Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Aug 20 2023 06:20am)
I think what a lot of people do not understand is Democracy is a lot more harder to fix when it decays .


a thought provoking and great observation.

Quote (Vastet @ Aug 20 2023 07:50am)
This is true but it's also the case that the majority of time monarchy was stable was a time when social pressures were weaker and technological progress that contributed to those pressures was effectively non-existent. I don't think monarchy has really been tested in modern society. It may be that it would remain a stable option. I have no facts to say otherwise, just doubts.


monarchy is the same as dictatorship, but we had that conversation before, dictatorship in and of itself is just another form of governance. If we look at the recent conversation on the word genocide, we see how it has evolved to mean something else.

in terms of dictatorship, different words have been replaced by this word, i.e. the word has evolved in the opposite direction. i.e. genocide is now all encompassing and dictatorship is now deemed an absolute.

you could debate this aspect for days.

as an example, Russia is deemed a dictatorship and Saudi Arabia is deemed an absolute monarchy, but a democratic people would much prefer to live in Russia as its more democracy and freedoms.

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Quote (Vastet @ 20 Aug 2023 05:16)
No it isn't. All government systems have been showed to be deeply flawed, democracy included. The US is the exact opposite of what the founding fathers intended it to be due to the failures of democracy. All forms of government work to some degree but none of them are sustainable and all are corrupt.

Quote (El1te @ 20 Aug 2023 05:36)
Monarchy is the most stable system by the objective facts of history, though there is still corruption present (corruption can be remedied in monarchies through the influence of the court & royal family)

Quote (Hamsterbaby @ 20 Aug 2023 05:20)
I think what a lot of people do not understand is Democracy is a lot more harder to fix when it decays .



US aren't even a full democracy. Large part of countries switched to more or less democratix systems in the last centuries, and guess what ? Undemocratic systems are hard to fix...

Imho Facists / Authoritarian ignorants and their interested collaborators should be send back in the place they deserve immediately.



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Quote (ferdia @ 20 Aug 2023 14:54)
a thought provoking and great observation.



monarchy is the same as dictatorship, but we had that conversation before, dictatorship in and of itself is just another form of governance. If we look at the recent conversation on the word genocide, we see how it has evolved to mean something else.

in terms of dictatorship, different words have been replaced by this word, i.e. the word has evolved in the opposite direction. i.e. genocide is now all encompassing and dictatorship is now deemed an absolute.

you could debate this aspect for days.


The Resident French can be rather relentless even when they realize how some users can't be bothered to engage with them. :lol:

Quote (ferdia @ 20 Aug 2023 15:02)
see my edit re: Russia and Saudi.


I mean it is a not just a Monarchy in Saudi. It is religious. That is a huge difference.
And their version of Islam is Wahhabism that is as fundamental as it comes.

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The Resident French can be rather relentless even when they realize how some users can't be bothered to engage with them. :lol:


see my edit re: Russia and Saudi.

I find it amusing (its shocking) that he can ignore a "democratic" people that wiped out an entire continent. But he is not alone in this, after all the people that made that image did so as well. But do you see the way it was contrived ? "which DICTATOR". thats a really good use of words to get around the inconvenience.

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Quote (ferdia @ 20 Aug 2023 02:54)
a thought provoking and great observation.



monarchy is the same as dictatorship, but we had that conversation before, dictatorship in and of itself is just another form of governance. If we look at the recent conversation on the word genocide, we see how it has evolved to mean something else.

in terms of dictatorship, different words have been replaced by this word, i.e. the word has evolved in the opposite direction. i.e. genocide is now all encompassing and dictatorship is now deemed an absolute.

you could debate this aspect for days.

as an example, Russia is deemed a dictatorship and Saudi Arabia is deemed an absolute monarchy, but a democratic people would much prefer to live in Russia as its more democratic.


There are strong similarities between monarchy and dictatorship but they are not the same. The royal family in a monarchy often holds more power than the crown. A dictatorship never allows the dictators family to have that much power. Contrast Saudi Arabia where the crown prince still answers to the king vs North Korea where much of Un's family has been...neutralized.
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Quote (ferdia @ 20 Aug 2023 15:02)
see my edit re: Russia and Saudi.

I find it amusing (its shocking) that he can ignore a "democratic" people that wiped out an entire continent. But he is not alone in this, after all the people that made that image did so as well. But do you see the way it was contrived ? "which DICTATOR". thats a really good use of words to get around the inconvenience.


I also find it funny when he talks about F -16S. I mean fair enough to say , he is probably an expert in Ace Combat on play station.
F-16 is not what Ukraine need, they need A 10 warthogs to go Brrrrrrrrrrrt on the Russian Tanks .
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Quote (Vastet @ Aug 20 2023 08:06am)
There are strong similarities between monarchy and dictatorship but they are not the same. The royal family in a monarchy often holds more power than the crown. A dictatorship never allows the dictators family to have that much power. Contrast Saudi Arabia where the crown prince still answers to the king vs North Korea where much of Un's family has been...neutralized.


sure, https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/dictatorship-countries

Accept that while reading the above it is "politically correct", notwithstanding you can probably see some issues with it.
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Quote (Prox1m1ty @ 19 Aug 2023 18:12)
Incredible that is the main issue for you here. Stick your head back in the fucking sand then vatnik.


As much as everyone here regrets the needless loss of civilian life, rules are rules for everyone posting here.

Show some respect for the dead and abstain from posting their mutilated bodies on this forum.
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Aug 20 2023 04:37am
Hmm interesting:

The Constitution of Pylyp Orlyk (Ukrainian: Конституція Пилипа Орлика (Konstytutsiya Pylypa Orlyka), also known as the Constitution of Bendery1 is a constitutional document from 1710 written by the hetman of the Cossacks of Ukraine, Pylyp Orlyk.
It established the principle of the separation of powers in government between the legislative, executive and judicial branches well before the publication of Montesquieu's Spirit of the Laws. The document limits the hetman's executive power and establishes a Cossack parliament called the General Rada.

Very early.
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Quote (ferdia @ 20 Aug 2023 15:25)
sure, https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/dictatorship-countries

Accept that while reading the above it is "politically correct", notwithstanding you can probably see some issues with it.


I was reading the first 30 pages of this thread. Some people never change and I am in awe of your damn patience.

:lol:
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