Quote (ferdia @ 19 Aug 2023 19:27)

I posted several links relating to F16's throughout the year in the topic. The F16's is, as i stated, inferior to the russian jets and they would literately be sparrows trying to escape hawks. Every time they went up they would be out numbered. in a military conflict such as what we see in Ukraine, between 20% and 50% would ever be in need of repair. When you consider the size of ukraine, i must revise my figure upwards, to over 100 f16's needed, at minimum, for ukraine to be able to realistically use them (without them all being instantly shot down).

If you have any more questions about f16's just ask, there are alot of sources relating to same (and ukraine).

Quote (Meanwhile @ Aug 19 2023 06:32pm)

No, because they can start with a few launching air-surface missiles and retreat. Russian airplanes are junk like their army. (/e don't take it personally)

Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Aug 19 2023 06:29pm)

So then we agree? What was all the kicking and screaming about? :rofl:
This parsing Russia's actions as justified because other wars have occurred is pathetic; Your not the first and won't likely be the last to try and justify Putin's actions this way.

If you apply the United Nations criteria to what Russia is doing in Ukraine, it is fair and balanced to accept their actions are intended genocide.
Is that not the case?

"A physical element, which includes the following five acts, enumerated exhaustively:
Killing members of the group - Yes
Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group - Yes
Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part - Yes
Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group - Not provenForcibly transferring children of the group to another group" - Yes"

Is that not the case?



Inaccurate.

Quote (ferdia @ Aug 19 2023 06:40pm)

The F16's are not intended for air to surface warfare in Ukraine, they are intended for air superiority. again, i can provide links. i have looked at the f16 question for months now.

F16's are 4th generation fighters, and far superior to what Ukraine has. Russia uses both 4th and 5th generation fighters. ukraine's airforce is, as you would put it, "junk". Ukraine admits this by the way, hence the need for better air force.

here is a link: https://time.com/6301355/ukrainian-pilots-f16-training/
and another link: https://www.defensenews.com/air/2023/03/07/which-fighter-jet-is-best-for-ukraine-as-it-fights-off-russia/

afaik the 5th generation fighters are not being used much (su 57). i know you dont read anything i link so i will make it simple, russia has 10 times as many jets as ukraine, so if ukraine wants air superiority, it needs more and better jets then what it currently has.

TLDR:

How many jets is Russia using in Ukraine?

GlobalFirepower lists Russia as operating 773 fighter aircraft as opposed to Ukraine at 69.

Quote (ferdia @ 19 Aug 2023 19:40)

The F16's are not intended for air to surface warfare in Ukraine, they are intended for air superiority.

Quote (Meanwhile @ Aug 19 2023 07:03pm)

The F-16 Fighting Falcon is a compact, multi-role fighter aircraft. It is highly maneuverable and has proven itself in air-to-air combat and air-to-surface attack. It provides a relatively low-cost, high-performance weapon system for the United States and allied nations.

Air-to-surface missiles carried on the F-16 can include Maverick, HARM and Shrike missiles... Allies have thousands of these.

Quote (ferdia @ 19 Aug 2023 20:05)

roughly 2000 outside of the US. across 32 countries. Israel has over 300 of em. what source are you using to get to 1000's ? (they are also 50 years old). again, the links are there to be read.

Quote (Neptunus @ Aug 19 2023 02:09am)

You have a point, but you need to admit that several Trump supporters have voiced opinions that could be described closely by Nazism. Nazism is not just the WW2 ideology, it spanned at least a couple decades before culminating into a world war and genocide. The early years are what Trump supporters seem to remind us of as of now.

Quote (Vastet @ Aug 19 2023 02:26am)

There are fascist tendencies on all sides. It's usually a lefty demanding censorship of ideas and symbols these days, and that's exactly the same shit the nazi's did. Sure a lot of Trump supporters value certain nazi related ideologies, but the same is true for Trump opponents. They are often different parts of nazi ideologies supported by left and right, but they still can be labelled nazi if one is willing to dumb down what a nazi actually represents.

An actual nazi would throw both sides into the gas chamber.

Quote (ofthevoid @ Aug 19 2023 09:42am)

There is no conflation, explain to me the followig:

1.Why was the war in Iraq justified?
2.If it was not why didn't the aggressors get sanctioned? Do you support sanctioning those aggressors?
3.There are hundreds of thousands of dead civilians resulting for Iraq occupation, do you believe in an international court prosecuting them, if not why?


Not putting any words in your mouth you can try to explain your position instead of dodging. Explain to me why this current Ukraine war is so much worse that it deserves the label of a genocide while the one like Iraq doesn't.

Quote (Meanwhile @ Aug 19 2023 07:24pm)

It's not because the first flight is 49 years old that all F-16s have this age nor have been upgraded. I wish you good luck scratching your numbers. :lol: