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Aug 19 2023 10:16am
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back to topic, you think US is going to break faith with Ukraine soon ?


No.
They just agreed the transfer of f-16's, yesterday.
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Aug 19 2023 10:24am
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There is literally a rule against posting videos of gore and mutilated bodies.

You regularly post drone footage and consistently avoid warnings. How?


Which drone footage are you talking about ?
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Aug 19 2023 10:28am
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No.
They just agreed the transfer of f-16's, yesterday.


They are training like 6 pilots and won't be done till next summer lol
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Aug 19 2023 10:38am
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They are training like 6 pilots and won't be done till next summer lol


Officials have previously said that Ukrainian pilots will need six to eight months of training. So it's before summer 2024.

I think it's much more than "6" because there are training in multiple countries, not sure they need many btw.
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Aug 19 2023 10:40am
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Officials have previously said that Ukrainian pilots will need six to eight months of training. So it's before summer 2024.

I think it's much more than "6" because there are training in multiple countries, not sure they need many btw.


The F16's are inferior planes to what the russians have. for them to be effective, they would need alot of them.
as far as i recall, russia has stated that they will have to respond somehow if f16's are sent to ukraine.

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In my opinion each instance deserves to be considered individually. What your doing is conflating different instances which I would argue is the most disrespectful approach.
Plenty of people disrespected UK and US soldiers for their conduct.
This terrible argument that Russia is justified because the Iraq war and Afghan war happened, is totally pathetic and broken.
Its not accurate to say that Ukrainians are not being thrown in ovens so it can't possibly be genocide. In my opinion it clearly is.

But you've already explained my position in your own mind and you don't care about my actual position, so I'll agree to disagree.


There is no conflation, explain to me the followig:

1.Why was the war in Iraq justified?
2.If it was not why didn't the aggressors get sanctioned? Do you support sanctioning those aggressors?
3.There are hundreds of thousands of dead civilians resulting for Iraq occupation, do you believe in an international court prosecuting them, if not why?


Not putting any words in your mouth you can try to explain your position instead of dodging. Explain to me why this current Ukraine war is so much worse that it deserves the label of a genocide while the one like Iraq doesn't.

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Officials have previously said that Ukrainian pilots will need six to eight months of training. So it's before summer 2024.

I think it's much more than "6" because there are training in multiple countries, not sure they need many btw.


Okay how many pilots? And what makes you think that?

And how many do they need?


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Ukraine had resigned itself to a long delay. “It’s already obvious we won’t be able to defend Ukraine with F-16 fighter jets during this autumn and winter,” the Ukraine air force spokesperson Yuriy Ihnat told Ukrainian television late on Wednesday.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/aug/18/us-reportedly-approves-sending-f-16-jets-to-ukraine-from-denmark-and-netherlands
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Aug 19 2023 10:50am
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Ukraine war troop deaths, injuries nearing 500,000: US officials

https://nypost.com/2023/08/18/ukraine-war-troop-deaths-injuries-near-500k-officials/

I don't think Russia is faring much better but they've got more than 3x troops.

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There is no conflation, explain to me the followig:

1.Why was the war in Iraq justified?
2.If it was not why didn't the aggressors get sanctioned? Do you support sanctioning those aggressors?
3.There are hundreds of thousands of dead civilians do you believe in an international court prosecuting them, if not why?


Not putting any words in your mouth you can try to explain your position instead of dodging. Explain to me why this current Ukraine war is so much worse that it deserves the label of a genocide while the one like Iraq doesn't.


Did you actually read what I wrote?
Your conflating different instances completely.
Whatever you feel about Iraq it has no bearing on the Ukraine war and whether or not Russias actions show intent. They clearly do.

What kind of question is why was the Iraq war justified?
Who said it was justified? Stop strawmanning and moving the goalposts.

Form an argument based on the definition of genocide and convince me what Russia is doing is not clearly that.
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Aug 19 2023 10:53am
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https://nypost.com/2023/08/18/ukraine-war-troop-deaths-injuries-near-500k-officials/

I don't think Russia is faring much better but they've got more than 3x troops.


That's total estimated casualties, from both sides.
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