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Aug 19 2023 03:09am
Quote (El1te @ Aug 18 2023 11:53pm)
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This is not a genocide and it's not even close. Genocide means something. Nazi also means something which also has been watered down ("Trump supporters are nazis")


You have a point, but you need to admit that several Trump supporters have voiced opinions that could be described closely by Nazism. Nazism is not just the WW2 ideology, it spanned at least a couple decades before culminating into a world war and genocide. The early years are what Trump supporters seem to remind us of as of now.

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Aug 19 2023 03:26am
There are fascist tendencies on all sides. It's usually a lefty demanding censorship of ideas and symbols these days, and that's exactly the same shit the nazi's did. Sure a lot of Trump supporters value certain nazi related ideologies, but the same is true for Trump opponents. They are often different parts of nazi ideologies supported by left and right, but they still can be labelled nazi if one is willing to dumb down what a nazi actually represents.

An actual nazi would throw both sides into the gas chamber.
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Aug 19 2023 05:13am
Quote (ofthevoid @ Aug 18 2023 11:36pm)
[QUOTE=Prox1m1ty,Aug 18 2023 05:45pm

While I can see what your saying about diminishing the plight of Jews in WW2 for example, I completely disagree with you.
In my opinion the opposite is true. By claiming that what is happening today could never be as bad as what happened historically then its a spit in the face of people suffering an equally terrible situation today, relative to their own perception.

There isn't some scale of suffering as you appear to be applying; People are suffering in Ukraine what I believe is an attempted genocide. And I have given my reasons for that above, your welcome to disagree.
Take what ISIS did to Yazidi populations in Iraq and Syria. Estimates of those killed go as high as 5000 people. It is widely accepted as a genocide.
Hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians have died. Possibly tens of thousands of civilians alone.

It is simply not appropriate to compare one genocide to another as if its a pissing contest.

On this point you are sorely misguided. What your saying about preserving integrity and gravity of events like the holocaust is not unlike prejudice against one ethnicity or another.



Would be a fair point except the same camp that is supporting the war in Ukraine today was the one that argued for interventions in Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan (it's always the neocons telling people why this next thing is absolutely a good reason to do it).

People are suffering in Ukraine, just like people suffered in Iraq, with hundreds of thousands of dead civilians and some estimates putting overall number close to a million. Russia's invasion is no where close to that nor are their civilians deaths close to that. Can you let me know when US/UK soldiers were labeled Orcs? Can you let me know when the MSM labeled that invasion a genocide? Show me the sanctions on the US, GB for sending thousands of troops on the completely false premise of WMDs?

Oh and before you tell you were against the war in Iraq, I don't care, magically literally everyone is now, but contrary to you I don't buy the bullshit by the same people that sold us that war and others (Libya, Syria, Yemen, Afghanistan and so on) which today are the ones that are beating the war drum in Ukraine.[/QUOTE]

In my opinion each instance deserves to be considered individually. What your doing is conflating different instances which I would argue is the most disrespectful approach.
Plenty of people disrespected UK and US soldiers for their conduct.
This terrible argument that Russia is justified because the Iraq war and Afghan war happened, is totally pathetic and broken.
Its not accurate to say that Ukrainians are not being thrown in ovens so it can't possibly be genocide. In my opinion it clearly is.

But you've already explained my position in your own mind and you don't care about my actual position, so I'll agree to disagree.
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Aug 19 2023 05:16am
Quote (Vastet @ Aug 19 2023 05:32am)
Considering Western democracy isn't a democracy it's just rich assholes getting richer, I'd say Russia has the right idea.


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Poignant but factual.
Western Democracy doesn't reflect what it used to be. As a matter of fact it is now an Achilles heel of sorts.

To have a successful democracy , you need to have at least 65 to 70% of your population to be well educated, informed and rational.
Democracy have it pros and cons, lets not forget that the Nazi party was voted in via democracy albeit with Violence and voter intimidation.

The largest backlash of a democracy is when charismatic leaders decides to manipulate voters through their fears and anger. And it works extremely well when a country or nation is going through a period of decline or economical depression.

It is human nature that we always blame someone else instead of looking at ourselves. Depending on the timeline, a particular country, race or religion etc etc will be used as a scapegoat for the suffering of the people.

Not only will they get the mass to support them on most of the things they do, even seemingly atrocious policies are deem needed in the interest of the country and nation.

This applies to both sides of the political spectrum and is not endemic to one.

Such is life. And most people gets thoroughly absorbed into such narrative with absolute no rationale and common sense.
Only an incredible lose of life through a terrible war can wake people up.

It is history, The further you look back, the further you look forward.. But people never look back.

The current democracy that we are looking at now isn't much different to any other political ideologue to be honest.
The ability to vote is rather delusional. But one thing good is you don't get sent to the gulags I supposed, however that being said you might be emotionally and mentally cancelled , pressured and violated depending on who sits on the throne.


Utter drivel :rofl:
The USSR broke up and literally became a mafia state. You have no idea what your talking about man; Your bias is permanently showing.
Aug 19 2023 06:58am
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Aug 19 2023 07:00am
Quote (Vastet @ 19 Aug 2023 06:32)
Considering Western democracy isn't a democracy it's just rich assholes getting richer, I'd say Russia has the right idea.


Splitting is a psychological distress trait, like saying that if less than xx% of the population is educated then "democracy cannot work" or that "riches are ruling":

- Democracies aren't perfect but it's the best solution we have atm
- Undemocratic regimes have been proven to be vastly flawed

- Cherry pickup doesn't work
- Gulag
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Aug 19 2023 07:20am
Quote (Meanwhile @ Aug 19 2023 10:00am)
Splitting is a psychological distress trait, like saying that if less than xx% of the population is educated then "democracy cannot work" or that "riches are ruling":

- Democracies aren't perfect but it's the best solution we have atm
- Undemocratic regimes have been proven to be vastly flawed

- Cherry pickup doesn't work
- Gulag


I'm telling you this for my sake and not yours, the term you are trying to use is "CHERRY PICKED" not "CHERRY PICKUP"

Jfc
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Aug 19 2023 07:21am
Quote (DizzyBusiness @ 19 Aug 2023 21:20)
I'm telling you this for my sake and not yours, the term you are trying to use is "CHERRY PICKED" not "CHERRY PICKUP"

Jfc


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Aug 19 2023 07:29am
Quote (DizzyBusiness @ 19 Aug 2023 15:20)
I'm telling you this for my sake and not yours, the term you are trying to use is "CHERRY PICKED" not "CHERRY PICKUP"

Jfc


No, it was more like "Cherry Picking". English language has its limits i can admit it, like your french canadian which is 2 ranks lower than the rural parler we have here.
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Aug 19 2023 07:40am
Quote (Meanwhile @ Aug 19 2023 10:29am)
No, it was more like "Cherry Picking". English language has its limits i can admit it, like your french canadian which is 2 ranks lower than the rural parler we have here.

You are correcting my correction? After using the wrong word for like...a year? Lmao at least you have no shortage of confidence, even if you should.

And yes Canadian French is garbage, I'm pretty sure it was created by the English to mock the French.
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