Quote (ofthevoid @ Aug 18 2023 11:36pm)
[QUOTE=Prox1m1ty,Aug 18 2023 05:45pm
While I can see what your saying about diminishing the plight of Jews in WW2 for example, I completely disagree with you.
In my opinion the opposite is true. By claiming that what is happening today could never be as bad as what happened historically then its a spit in the face of people suffering an equally terrible situation today, relative to their own perception.
There isn't some scale of suffering as you appear to be applying; People are suffering in Ukraine what I believe is an attempted genocide. And I have given my reasons for that above, your welcome to disagree.
Take what ISIS did to Yazidi populations in Iraq and Syria. Estimates of those killed go as high as 5000 people. It is widely accepted as a genocide.
Hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians have died. Possibly tens of thousands of civilians alone.
It is simply not appropriate to compare one genocide to another as if its a pissing contest.
On this point you are sorely misguided. What your saying about preserving integrity and gravity of events like the holocaust is not unlike prejudice against one ethnicity or another.
Would be a fair point except the same camp that is supporting the war in Ukraine today was the one that argued for interventions in Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan (it's always the neocons telling people why this next thing is absolutely a good reason to do it).
People are suffering in Ukraine, just like people suffered in Iraq, with hundreds of thousands of dead civilians and some estimates putting overall number close to a million. Russia's invasion is no where close to that nor are their civilians deaths close to that. Can you let me know when US/UK soldiers were labeled Orcs? Can you let me know when the MSM labeled that invasion a genocide? Show me the sanctions on the US, GB for sending thousands of troops on the completely false premise of WMDs?
Oh and before you tell you were against the war in Iraq, I don't care, magically literally everyone is now, but contrary to you I don't buy the bullshit by the same people that sold us that war and others (Libya, Syria, Yemen, Afghanistan and so on) which today are the ones that are beating the war drum in Ukraine.[/QUOTE]
In my opinion each instance deserves to be considered individually. What your doing is conflating different instances which I would argue is the most disrespectful approach.
Plenty of people disrespected UK and US soldiers for their conduct.
This terrible argument that Russia is justified because the Iraq war and Afghan war happened, is totally pathetic and broken.
Its not accurate to say that Ukrainians are not being thrown in ovens so it can't possibly be genocide. In my opinion it clearly is.
But you've already explained my position in your own mind and you don't care about my actual position, so I'll agree to disagree.