I don't support racism;

"Ruscism" is not racism, i already explained how the term was perfectly justified and the wikipedia article is pretty clear on that:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruscism
"Not to be confused with Racism or Russianism."

I don't support nazis either... False accusations will not be tolerated.

This post was edited by Meanwhile on Aug 18 2023 12:49pm

Because Ukraine had nazi sentiment among its far right and ultra nationals does not justify what Russia has done to Ukraine.
A literal genocide that is happening before our eyes.

Anytime a group hates and seeks to persecute another group, it is not good.
I support Ukraines right to exist as an independent nation. That doesn't mean I support those that behaved and still might like "nazis".
Equally there has to be a reason for that hatred. In this instance the soviet repression and holodomir are obvious reasons.

Anyone that says some nazis are okay isn't really being truthful or has been misunderstood.

Making the lazy argument that a small minority of Ukrainians have those tendencies while completely ignoring the ongoing genocidal behaviour of Russia is dishonest and lazy at best.

You NAFO people are like a religion, it's really weird.

Thanks for info, i saw this name sometimes without paying attention, it never appears on regular information channels

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAFO_(group)

You won a new avatar (or anyone who want to use it)



You are our first official PARDNAFO member !

Absolutely: nationalism is bad, especially when it's used to invade others, oppress minorities, political opponents, etc

This post was edited by Meanwhile on Aug 18 2023 01:54pm

actually if you look at what Prox1m1ty said, i can 100% agree with him. Ultimately eastern Ukraine is and has been for a long time - a mess, as evidenced by the video hamster posted earlier ( the bbc one ). By this I refer to the divisions as related to Ukraine:Russia.

if you dont support nazi's then I would suggest you are more careful in your wording when referring to them. While it is true that Ukrainians have been persecuted for decades, and the arguement re: cultural genocide is real (i.e. Russia bad in this regard), this does not make ultra nationalist (or say rather the nazi element) "good guys" and therefore care needs to be taken when broaching that topic. I would presume that ultra nationalist sentiment has only grown in the last 8 years, and most especially since the war started, a natural evolution noting the military buildup and outbreak of war. And yes, this would also apply to Russia.

In any war, (ultra) nationalism rises. if it did not rise the country would not have the morale to keep fighting. i.e. any country at war, a war of survival most especially, will have patriots, more so then in countries not at war.

This is not a free pass to crap on Russia (or China for that matter). For all that Russia is doing (to protect its interests and Russian speakers in Ukraine, while yes, invading ukraine, bombing civilian targets etc) it is not hard to point the finger at many western great powers, current or former, who have done equal and more often then not, worse. It is therefore not sound to point to Russian (or Chinese) actions and cry foul, without comparing those acts to what we, in the west, have done, and continue to do, elsewhere (coups, war, murder, genocide etc).

This post was edited by ferdia on Aug 18 2023 01:53pm

State-sponsored literal nazis is a valid casus belli for Russia to invade and depose the regime that sponsors them

If Ukraine did not sponsor them and they were rogue terrorist groups, it wouldn't be, but Ukraine decided to sponsor them

So you agree Russia is committing genocide? A literal one, before our eyes! Surprised you aren't more critical of them for that tbh

Wagner and Russia itself is rife with nazis and ultra nationalists.
The Kremlin bankrolls Wagner.

You agree any invasion of Russia would be justified?
Or you just accept your point was ill conceived?

Trying to justify a genocide is an unusual hill to die on.

the key point is what is the current definition of genocide in this era we live in. i.e. the definition i am using does not relate to anyone being killed.

I can easily convince you that russia is doing this, if you want to debate this in good faith.

here is a simple example of what, in the western world is now termed "genocide".

1. Some Russian textbooks have allegedly removed references to Kyiv and Ukraine, with analysts claiming Moscow is "rewriting history". This relates to the expression "cultural genocide".

obviously if you want to talk about old fashioned genocide you would have to look at previous wars involving other countries (not the current one, noting russia is expressly not trying to wipe out ukrainians).

This post was edited by ferdia on Aug 18 2023 02:16pm