Putin has lost his seat at the table. He cannot stay in power.



This post was edited by Skinned on Apr 4 2022 04:08pm

calling someone, who addressed you in a civilised manner, in entirely topic-related posts not containing ANY personal attacks, a "piece of shit" in order to deflect from the arguments they made, like you did in this discussion, is a textbook example of being "toxic". you insulted me without a provocation. you can try to rationalise that all you want, but by your own definition that makes you a "toxic piece of shit" yourself. or does that somehow not apply to you, are those "standards" of yours just for other people?

anyway, regarding your support of chop's post as well as your previous misremembering of trump's actions regarding ukraine, your constant bothsidesisms (even regarding war crimes!)... you can play that little "well i didn't say that explicitly / i didn't mean it that way / i just agreed in general and not with the core premise of his whole post" game all day long, keep yourself busy with constant backtracking and denial, avoid any clarifications and concrete positions, but your posts still paint a pretty clear overall picture - no need for you to outright state anything specifically really.
again, you're not as crass and brazen as the obvious pootin trolls we have here, i give you that, but you are noticeably sympathetic towards kremlin friendly narratives, and eager to blame "both sides" every chance you get, that's all i'm saying...

Lol

Are we gonna declare that we legally recognize some random person as president of Russia like we did with Venezuela now?

Clearly they are just creating defensive positions. No proof that those are specifically for mass graves.



Easily faked. How are we supposed to trust DNC sources such as the NY Times and Western Satellite images. Even IF those "bodies" were there, how do we know that Ukraine didn't drop them there to lower the morale of Russian soldiers?



While true, that's up to the Russian people.

haha, good one. tinfoil maga hat.jpg

i will address the same people you're targeting with your "satire":

historical precedent (chechnya / georgia / syria / CAR) / previous, well documented war crimes committed by russia in ukraine on a daily basis (shelling of civilian infrastructure, kindergardens, orphanages, maternity wards... / attacking and closing agreed upon humanitarian corridors...) / common sense / international organisations / occam's razor

now all of that does not 100% exclude alternative theories, but we're talking alex jones sandy hook conspiracy levels of "reasonable doubt" here...

This post was edited by fender on Apr 4 2022 04:28pm

Defensive positions which were... weeks later filled with bodies.

Let's pretend for even a MOMENT that the Ukrainians "put those bodies there." Why did the Russians leave them in the streets for weeks? Fucking animals.

I will just dump this here as a reference point for people, while remaining neutral on its content ~

Human Rights Watch

https://www.hrw.org/europe/central-asia/ukraine

It would clearly hurt Russia in the propaganda war. Imagine if Russia did the right thing and buried the bodies with dignity. Then, every NATO loving globalist would say that Russia is indiscriminately murdering people and they are trying to cover up their crimes. Also, Russia simply might not have noticed since they were worried about getting destroyed by Western weapons. Russia did the right thing by going to the UN and showing the world how low the Ukrainians can go.

Oh it's definitely up to them. Nobody has suggested otherwise even tho the trumptards really really wanted Biden to mean that.

Yeah, when the peeps of RUS want a seat at the table they will know what they need to do.

The reality is that the people are bitter AF and refuse to look into the mirror to acknowledge their shortcomings. During the Soviet Union, Russians really WERE self-sustaining and they had the ability to do almost anything. Was it perfect? No, there were ton of inefficiencies. Was it totalitarian? You bet.

Now? They import 80% of their consumer goods. They are HEMORRHAGING talent and much of their industrial strength is diminished. These people are simply worse versions of your rust belt white trash heroin addict friends. It will take Russians several generations to accept their diminished role in the world.