Quote (ofthevoid @ Apr 4 2022 07:55pm)

The pentagon came out today saying they can't confirm or deny Ukrainian claims about Bucha. UN is calling for an independent probe (the reason if it's not obvious is because in times of war things like this could be staged as to elicit some sort of international response or maybe Russia really did it and the UN wants their own proof not 2nd hand proof, remember "Assad used chemical weapons" claims by the rebels?). Russia has denied the claims. These are the facts as of today. I've seen at this point an Ukrainian armed forces video entering Bucha, talking to civilians on camera PRIOR (verifiable by their upload time on youtube) to the claims being made and none of the people reporting any of these atrocities nor were there any visible bodies littered on streets. But at this point, like goom said, no one really knows what happened, definitely neither of us know as we're thousands of miles away basically looking at 2nd hand sourcing.

Meanwhile before facts are even known you already decided that the Ukrainian claims are true and those were literal unarmed civilians and they just shot them for no other reason other than unjustified cruelty and nothing else because if they let them go they would run and report on the Russian positions. Okay. I'm just kind of confused how in time of war, when we've already experienced such obvious and blatant propaganda from both sides, you don't take at least a moment to question stuff. Like why do you think the ghost of kiev or snake island faded so fast out of social media or any news mentions? Let me guess, they'd lie about those things but never about this now right?



https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/28/europe/snake-island-ukraine-russia-survivors-alive-intl/index.html

Quote (ferdia @ 4 Apr 2022 21:42)

i will take a page from your playbook and ask you relating to an extract of your stream of stupid, where did i support the narrative that donbass is legally russian territory? feel free not to respond (because you wont find it). IN THE MEANTIME i will go back over your posts, find your toxic self confession and repost it when i find it (somwhere in the last 100 pages).

if some one wants to look between 1-50 pages, i will take 51-133.

Quote (chopstickz777 @ 4 Apr 2022 06:12pm)

It should be understood that the reason there is a war in Ukraine right now is because Biden, or rather the Neocons which basically completely run his foreign policy, gave the green-light to Ukraine to wage a military offensive on the Donbass. The difference is that Trump would not have approved it. And so Russia was forced to react to this military threat against Donbass.

If Trump were in office, the conflict would have likely simmered another 4 years while the Ukrainians waited for an administration more sympathetic to their desire to conquer Donbass by force.

But they did not have to wait. And so here we are.

It will be really interesting to see what happens if and when Trump re-takes the white house in 2024. His natural instinct will be to reduce tensions in Ukraine, as he should. No doubt Congress, being the warmongering MIC puppets that they are, will react in horror.

Quote (fender @ Apr 4 2022 09:10pm)

you love getting debunked and found out, huh? here you go, this is where you quote kremlin propaganda bot and support what he says: https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=92094408&f=119&p=608073015

i will even highlight the passages that i referred to in my previous post, so you don't have to act all ignorant and confused again:



again, this just the latest example of you soft-pushing kremlin narratives - after trying to bothsides military aggression and even war crimes (!) previously. in reality, donbas is ukrainian territory, and fighting back against russian invaders is NOT terrorism or aggression.

oh, and speaking of acting stupid: it is the "piece of shit" insult that you threw at me, not the "toxic" part - and i specified that explicitly last post, so you now looking for the "toxic" part is just performative and blatantly dishonest. i'm just pointing out how your excuse to avoid a fact-based conversation is highly hypocritical, considering YOU were the one who turned this "toxic" by making personal insults. maybe hold yourself to the standards you want others to adhere to...

Quote (ferdia @ Apr 4 2022 07:05pm)

If you had not previously stated that you were a toxic piece of shit and are only posting here to trigger people I honestly would have thought that you cant read. You have once again taken my post completely out of context. i will remind myself to ignore you, as the many people in this forum have already suggested to me both in this topic and via pm.

Staying on topic



broadly i dont mind quoting this.

Quote (chopstickz777 @ Apr 4 2022 06:12pm)

It should be understood that the reason there is a war in Ukraine right now is because Biden, or rather the Neocons whichbasically completely run his foreign policy, gave the green-light to Ukraine to wage a military offensive on the Donbass. The difference is that Trump would not have approved it. And so Russia was forced to react to this military threat against Donbass.

If Trump were in office, the conflict would have likely simmered another 4 years while the Ukrainians waited for an administration more sympathetic to their desire to conquer Donbass by force.

But they did not have to wait. And so here we are.

It will be really interesting to see what happens if and when Trump re-takes the white house in 2024. His natural instinct will be to reduce tensions in Ukraine, as he should. No doubt Congress, being the warmongering MIC puppets that they are, will react in horror.

Quote (fender @ Mar 18 2022 01:27pm)

lol, you are the one claiming that for themselves, i never did.i'm toxic, and i never tried to hide that, genius. meanwhile you are being a toxic prick while bragging about the opposite... telling everyone they need a translator while ironically your own english is so poor that you're being confused for a foreigner. your silly "lost in translation" line is but a transparent excuse. you know what you said, and you know what it implies. the fact that you refuse to own your pettiness is just pathetic.

Quote (Santara @ 4 Apr 2022 20:25)

LOL, the Russian propaganda: https://twitter.com/BBCDanielS/status/1510995131964575746

Quote (ferdia @ 4 Apr 2022 22:32)

stream of dishonest deflections and backpedaling

Quote (fender @ Apr 4 2022 10:09pm)

you: you are a toxic piece of shit - you said that yourself - https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=92094408&f=119&p=608073015
me: i never said i was a "piece of shit" - that's an unprovoked insult coming from YOU. you're the one being toxic here.
you: i will find the quote where you admitted you are "toxic"
me: learn to read, that was not my point. you made an insult (piece of shit) without any provokation on my part, stop moving the goal post
you: ha! i found it! here's where you said you were "toxic"... tAkE a bOw!!1!

are you serious? anyway, you're obviously free to insult me however you like, it's not like mods here care, i'm just pointing out your hypocrisy so when your arguments get debunked and you cowardly hide behind not wanting to debate someone because they are too "toxic", remember YOU are the one who made this personal, not me.

concerning the russian propaganda bot that you quoted and supported ( https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=92094408&f=119&p=608073015 ) - the claim that donbas is russian is CENTRAL to his post and framing of the issue - so if you want to backpedal and pretend that you do NOT support that view, be more specific in what exactly you support about his pro-russian propaganda take.

again, you think you're being smart in soft-pushing those lazy bothsidesisms, and russia-biased spins on the situation, constantly backtracking when pressed on the particulars, and pretending the obvious interpretation of your posts is totally not what you meant, without ever being specific, but looking at your post history as a whole, it paints a pretty clear picture of being extremely apologetic and sympathetic towards kremlin narratives...