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Aug 17 2023 05:33am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Aug 17 2023 12:56am)
And like I've stressed repeatedly, we are talking about global markets where any sudden decline in supply will drive up prices for everyone and/or cause malnourisment among the poorest of the poor.



You can't make the argument that Russia's actions with the grain deal indirectly affect the poor because of supply to global markets without acknowledging that exclusion of Russia from SWIFT, then forcing insurance companies to not insure Russian ships which carry food and oil wouldn't have a similar effect. The west weaponized the financial markets and the means for one of the largest global suppliers of commodities to get it's good sold, so like I said, both are responsible.
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Aug 17 2023 05:38am
Quote (ofthevoid @ 17 Aug 2023 19:33)
You can't make the argument that Russia's actions with the grain deal indirectly affect the poor because of supply to global markets without acknowledging that exclusion of Russia from SWIFT, then forcing insurance companies to not insure Russian ships which carry food and oil wouldn't have a similar effect. The west weaponized the financial markets and the means for one of the largest global suppliers of commodities to get it's good sold, so like I said, both are responsible.


Wow, I totally forgot about that. I work in the industry and I am quite familiar with how that works and I totally forgot about that issue.
I mean even if Swift decided to allow such transactions to take place, they might have certain terms and conditions and that Russia can only sell it at xxx price that the West set.
Which means that the Russians will not transact because it will directly hurt their profits etc etc etc.

I mean usually when you buy Commodities it is not a simple, I TT you xxxx and you give me goods. You open LC, SBLCs blah blah.... and if your system cannot support that due to sanction , your goods cannot move.

Am I right to think this way ?

This post was edited by Hamsterbaby on Aug 17 2023 05:39am
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#33083
Aug 17 2023 05:42am
So seems there are "cluster rocket munitions for HIMARS" discussions around and that these munitions could have a very serious impact on the war

(alot of articles about it since the start of the war)

Yet U.S refuses to delivers, but who know, let's say it could be allowed in the future if really needed ?






Quote (fender @ 17 Aug 2023 12:55)
https://i.imgur.com/SbqvMqu.jpeg
thing is, i've tried multiple times to direct the conversation back to topic, but ferdia simply refuses to address any arguments and challenges to his position. he outright ignores requests for clarification and elaboration, comes up with ridiculous pivots and resorts to lies and hypocritical excuses in order to "justify" that.
but well, he has already announced that he will "ignore" me again (which in reality just means keep on dodging any substance while still talking about me with the other flaming hypocrites, so not much will change except that he won't lie to me directly)...
as for the chinese drunkard, he never contributes anything of substance anyway. he doesn't honour his word, and simply acts as emotional support for the other kremlin propagandists i guess (sometimes hard to decipher given his extremely broken english though, but you can definitely tell he's big mad)...


You missed the "it's war and war is bad" excuse (regarding war crimes) earlier in topic, but now, since this formula doesn't work anymore the main goal is to circle jerk on bitching US (or even EU), doing time travel, stretches, or coping on cherry pickup clickbait articles.
Like i told to you: just redirect or even correct (ie; if the source is really bad) then focuse on the battlefield and realistic views in next months, next year... And above all: this is a band coping over their goal or belief, not open people; do not seek a generous exchange or even concessions.

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Aug 17 2023 06:11am
Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Aug 17 2023 07:38am)
Wow, I totally forgot about that. I work in the industry and I am quite familiar with how that works and I totally forgot about that issue.
I mean even if Swift decided to allow such transactions to take place, they might have certain terms and conditions and that Russia can only sell it at xxx price that the West set.
Which means that the Russians will not transact because it will directly hurt their profits etc etc etc.

I mean usually when you buy Commodities it is not a simple, I TT you xxxx and you give me goods. You open LC, SBLCs blah blah.... and if your system cannot support that due to sanction , your goods cannot move.

Am I right to think this way ?


Don’t work in commodities but that’s part of it. Ultimately it’s incredibly difficult today to do international commerce without being plugged into some common markets systems with access to exchanges and means of moving funds.

It’s the 21st century, it’s not as if Russia can show up to a country with an oil tanker and receive a pallet of currency to take back, that’s not how things really work. There’s so much KYC/AML.

They are still able to get a lot of their commodities to markets but it’s costlier and with more friction which ultimately also has an impact of price/availability. We put up roadblocks for them to hurt them and then expect them to behave within our imposed framework, they don’t, then you have people asking why they are weaponizing food completely ignoring the other side of what caused it.
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Aug 17 2023 06:14am
Quote (ofthevoid @ 17 Aug 2023 20:11)
Don’t work in commodities but that’s part of it. Ultimately it’s incredibly difficult today to do international commerce without being plugged into some common markets systems with access to exchanges and means of moving funds.

It’s the 21st century, it’s not as if Russia can show up to a country with an oil tanker and receive a pallet of currency to take back, that’s not how things really work. There’s so much KYC/AML.

They are still able to get a lot of their commodities to markets but it’s costlier and with more friction which ultimately also has an impact of price/availability. We put up roadblocks for them to hurt them and then expect them to behave within our imposed framework, they don’t, then you have people asking why they are weaponizing food completely ignoring the other side of what caused it.


I was actually having a quick chat with my mate from Julius baer, 10 mins back, so I was asking him some questions.
He told me Russia will probably sell to India at discounted rate and move the wheat out to Africa. They will use RMB to transact. That is the info he got for the past 3 days.
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Aug 17 2023 06:16am
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ 17 Aug 2023 01:33)
Where did that occur? In your dreams :rofl:


Says the one who is dreaming. :rofl:
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Aug 17 2023 06:19am
Quote (fender @ 17 Aug 2023 06:28)
the guy who calls me a "piece of shit" and is best buddies with a drunkard who told me to "guzzle cum" clutches his pearls over alleged insults. hypocrite...

i guess the lying and the hypocrisy are just what you have to resort to because you can't address my challenges to your positions. keep making excuses for warmongers...


The projecting is real.
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Aug 17 2023 06:23am
For the anti-sanction camp, the alternative to sanctions are what exactly?

We accept that Russia can change internationally recognized borders via force? So, appeasement; Or we use conventional threats or action ending up in an open war with Russia?
Just wondering which of those potential actions is preferable to deterrence by sanctions.

Surely if you can criticize sanctions against Russia, which by the way are clearly having an economic impact on them.
Then you either believe that appeasement or open war were better alternatives?


Quote (Vastet @ Aug 17 2023 01:16pm)
Says the one who is dreaming. :rofl:


Your a uno reverse card kind of troll. :D Regressive.

This post was edited by Prox1m1ty on Aug 17 2023 06:24am
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Aug 17 2023 06:37am
Russia situation could be like being blocked in an elevator with a crazy guy carrying an hand grenade (representing the nuclear weapon).
Even if you have a gun: a shot in the head is too risky and shooting in the leg could only enrage him.

Imho the "best" solution is to wound him with a knife and to let him slowly bleed up to losing consciousness/vigilance (representing Putin/close elite) at this point: take the grenade off his hands.
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Aug 17 2023 06:50am
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ 17 Aug 2023 08:23)
For the anti-sanction camp, the alternative to sanctions are what exactly?

We accept that Russia can change internationally recognized borders via force? So, appeasement; Or we use conventional threats or action ending up in an open war with Russia?
Just wondering which of those potential actions is preferable to deterrence by sanctions.

Surely if you can criticize sanctions against Russia, which by the way are clearly having an economic impact on them.
Then you either believe that appeasement or open war were better alternatives?




Your a uno reverse card kind of troll. :D Regressive.


Moar projecting by a low class troll.
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