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Aug 16 2023 03:40pm
Quote (ferdia @ Aug 16 2023 06:34pm)
You have been calling someone a piece of shit for months and month and months. No one argued with you. Then, when someone called you a piece of shit you complained. Do you not understand? Such language breeds and erodes the debate. Someone called out the other day that certain users will next refer to pedo's, and low and behold, like a prophesy fulfilled it happened the very next day. Is it so hard to argue our point (most of us here are living in the west after all!) without insulting the opposing position. It bothers me that the pro-western position by a number of users is using curses and false narratives / propaganda to justify our position, instead of using facts.

There are serious flaws in the western argument. NS2, the fact the US vetoed an investigation, the fact Biden said he would end it, the fact the US said Ukraine blew it up, Russia's red line, the US knowing Russia's red line, double standards (cuban missile crisis), attacks on eastern Ukraine before the war, Ukrainian governments acknowledgement years prior to the outbreak of the war that they were about to go to war with Russia. <<-- all of that is not being properly addressed, and if it was addressed perhaps it could be used as a basis for finding a resolution / peace deal.


too many facts mate

fender can only lash out, insult, shame, namecall, attack the person and not the argument and then he cries when some of it comes back
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Aug 16 2023 04:05pm
Quote (JohnnyMcCoy @ 16 Aug 2023 23:40)
too many facts mate

fender can only lash out, insult, shame, namecall, attack the person and not the argument and then he cries when some of it comes back


coming from another hypocrite who constantly insults people but clutches their pearls and goes crying to the mods when getting some mild backlash. you pootlickers are all the same, lol.
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Aug 16 2023 06:04pm
Quote (ferdia @ 16 Aug 2023 18:34)
There are serious flaws in the western argument. NS2, the fact the US vetoed an investigation, the fact Biden said he would end it, the fact the US said Ukraine blew it up, Russia's red line, the US knowing Russia's red line, double standards (cuban missile crisis), attacks on eastern Ukraine before the war, Ukrainian governments acknowledgement years prior to the outbreak of the war that they were about to go to war with Russia. <<-- all of that is not being properly addressed, and if it was addressed perhaps it could be used as a basis for finding a resolution / peace deal.

My personal opinion: Russia has never been, and still is not, interested in true compromise. The only kind of peace deal they're interested in is one on their terms, i.e. codifying Ukraine's limited sovereignty and position as a de facto satellite of Russia. The only way to bring Russia to the negotiating table is to defeat them on the battlefield, in the sense that further conquests seem unlikely while further losses can't be ruled out. Then and only then will they be willing to negotiate in good faith.

Whether Ukraine will be able to accomplish this is a different question. As things stand right now, it doesn't look like Ukraine will be able to threaten Russia's control of the occupied territory, so this conflict is imho headed toward being frozen again, rather than being officially resolved with a peace treaty.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Aug 16 2023 06:05pm
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Aug 16 2023 06:09pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ 16 Aug 2023 13:24)
Reni, a Ukrainian city that sits right on the border with Romania on Danube river was attacked with drones last night. Romanians captured a video of it. Pretty incredible, seems Russia is hell bent on destroying Ukraines grain infrastructure.
https://twitter.com/clashreport/status/1691703937831715284

So much for those who were pushing back when I said, a week or two ago, that Russia is weaponizing food/trying to create a hunger crisis in Africa to put pressure on Europe.


Quote (Meanwhile @ 16 Aug 2023 13:58)
“What is very clear is that China, for all its claims that it is a neutral actor, is in fact supporting Russia’s positions in this war,”





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Aug 16 2023 06:14pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Aug 16 2023 08:09pm)
So much for those who were pushing back when I said, a week or two ago, that Russia is weaponizing food/trying to create a hunger crisis in Africa to put pressure on Europe.



https://media.tenor.com/UZJd1pjj4NMAAAAC/surprised-pikachu.gif


~13% of Ukraine’s grain went to Africa. Most went to Europe. We’ve been over this, both sides can make food and energy (which is a main input of food cost) cheaper and easier to access through de-escalation.

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Aug 16 2023 06:38pm
Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Aug 16 2023 05:14pm)
I think 1k People missing and close to a hundred deaths , entire Lahaina is gone.
I am thinking of getting baldur's gate, but I am going to wait. Might be too addictive.


Wow that sucks

And BG3 is definitely too addictive lol

Quote (ofthevoid @ Aug 16 2023 05:23pm)
Close to 40 hours and just made it to the underdark. It’s no elden ring but very solid game.


I'm really impressed with it, not perfect of course but think they did a great job, the improvements since EA were huge, getting annoyed with every companion wanting to bone constantly though lol

Quote (Meanwhile @ Aug 16 2023 05:18pm)
Information has been flooded and anyone calling for the president is getting suppressed.



you said "War of aggression is such a stupid term lol"

=> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_aggression

Figure out about the stupid.


I did say that and still think that, I don't know why you think the Wikipedia entry about it will change my mind, if that's even what you are trying to do. Genuinely can't understand most of what you say lol.
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Aug 16 2023 06:43pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ 17 Aug 2023 02:09)
Russia is weaponizing food




This post was edited by Meanwhile on Aug 16 2023 06:44pm
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Aug 16 2023 08:10pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ 17 Aug 2023 08:14)
~13% of Ukraine’s grain went to Africa. Most went to Europe. We’ve been over this, both sides can make food and energy (which is a main input of food cost) cheaper and easier to access through de-escalation.


Pard very quiet recently.
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Aug 16 2023 08:54pm
This is a big deal if the numbers are accurate. I long suspected the population decline is massive but here's some confirmation. It's quickly becoming an unsustainable state that will be fully reliant on outside help (mainly the EU) to subsidize it's social safety nets. Terrible outcome, way worse than living under a puppet regime.

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Currently, about 11.7 million Ukrainians are economically active, of whom about 9.3 million are employed. Another 2.7 million are unemployed.

This data were released by experts of the Ukrainian Institute of the Future (UIF) during the presentation of the Economic Forecast of Ukraine for 2023-2024.

"According to our estimates, there are about 28.5 million people living in Ukraine today. But it is not the total number that is important but the structure. Out of all these 28.5 million, 16.8 million are economically inactive (pensioners and children). About 11.7 million are economically active but only about 9-9.3 million of them are working. If we subtract public sector employees from this figure, we are left with 6-7 million people who, in fact, are the 'engine' of the entire economy," Yana Lavryk, an expert of UIF economic programs, said.

She emphasized that the situation may continue to deteriorate. If the population continues to emigrate, there will be no one to create GDP in Ukraine, no one to pay taxes, and thus the country will not be able to service the budget and fulfill its social obligations.


https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-economy/3732400-only-about-117m-economically-active-people-in-ukraine-study.html
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Aug 16 2023 10:01pm
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ 16 Aug 2023 08:56)
When the goalsposts move from capturing Kiev in a matter of days to hoping that the Ukrainians just give up.
That's when you know Russia is a paper tiger.

Laughing stock :rofl:


When NATO combined can't stop Russia you know NATO is a paper tiger. :rofl:
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