Quote (ferdia @ 16 Aug 2023 18:34)
You have been calling someone a piece of shit for months and month and months. No one argued with you. Then, when someone called you a piece of shit you complained. Do you not understand? Such language breeds and erodes the debate. Someone called out the other day that certain users will next refer to pedo's, and low and behold, like a prophesy fulfilled it happened the very next day. Is it so hard to argue our point (most of us here are living in the west after all!) without insulting the opposing position. It bothers me that the pro-western position by a number of users is using curses and false narratives / propaganda to justify our position, instead of using facts.
There are serious flaws in the western argument. NS2, the fact the US vetoed an investigation, the fact Biden said he would end it, the fact the US said Ukraine blew it up, Russia's red line, the US knowing Russia's red line, double standards (cuban missile crisis), attacks on eastern Ukraine before the war, Ukrainian governments acknowledgement years prior to the outbreak of the war that they were about to go to war with Russia. <<-- all of that is not being properly addressed, and if it was addressed perhaps it could be used as a basis for finding a resolution / peace deal.
let's not rewrite history here. i have been calling a murdering dictator "pootin" - whereas you have been calling ME a "piece of shit" - while ALSO clutching your pearls about civility. YOU are the one constantly complaining about language and using it as an excuse to dodge criticism - but only of those who oppose russia's warmongering. when russia apologists like ampoo, hamster, or junior insult me, you commend their posts. you couldn't be more of a hypocrite if you tried to.
also, why did you dodge my request to elaborate on how my description of what happened in donbas is allegedly different from blackz' version, the latter of which you claimed to agree with (including the part where he called your previous narrative "
full of shit" btw)? you said they were different and i genuinely don't see how, so if you actually have an argument there please try to make it, and stop deflecting.
This post was edited by fender on Aug 16 2023 11:25am