"I should not have said so. It was a mistake," Stian Jenssen, Chief of the #NATO General Staff, told VG, referring to his recent statement, which suggested Ukraine might cede some territories to Russia in exchange for NATO membership.

Lool this guy made the buzz for 1 full day




Yeah, acting in some kind of "pedantic" or "excessively well mannered" way [while supporting mafiosi and genocidal entities & posting related propaganda/paid agents] is ... Miserable, pathetic, despicable.
Regarding the second quote: there is a proverb here: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/chassez_le_naturel,_il_revient_au_galop

Jesus this topic is really doomed.

This post was edited by Meanwhile on Aug 16 2023 09:35am

you are ever deflecting. you use the word pootin all day long and have done so for months now. this word translates to "a piece of shit". are you seriously trying to tell me that you dont know what you are saying ? the only plus of late is that you thankfully are not using such words as whataboutism and bothsidesism, which do not belong in a debate. while you have settled on the word war apologist, for my part I dont see being objective as being a crime, and I dont see asking for peace as a crime and I dont see understanding the enemy, and their motives, as a crime. The fact that we made that person our enemy is also worth mulling over.

finally, complementing someone for being able to articulate their point of view does not mean agreeing with that point of view ( accepted in this case i do agree with everything he said but this is immaterial,other then that it is different from what you are now spinning. What you said does not equal to the statement that I agreed with ).

what made you change your mind? previously you clearly supported the kremlin's narrative about the unprovoked extensive shelling of random civilians in donbas. also, please elaborate on how what i stated there is different from what blackz said. maybe you simply didn't understand his post? he literally stated that the pro russian version is "full of shit", lol...


regarding your sanctimonious pearl clutching: so you calling ME a "piece of shit" directly is somehow fine, but me calling a literal murdering dictator "pootin" is a reason for you to call for civility? do you genuinely not realise how absurd that is?!

why does it bother you so much what i call a man who has been murdering political opposition and journalists for decades, who started multiple wars of aggression that left hundreds of thousands of innocent people dead? why are you going to bat for someone like that? seems like you're just looking for an excuse to criticise someone who calls you out on your bs.

War of aggression is such a stupid term lol

You have been calling someone a piece of shit for months and month and months. No one argued with you. Then, when someone called you a piece of shit you complained. Do you not understand? Such language breeds and erodes the debate. Someone called out the other day that certain users will next refer to pedo's, and low and behold, like a prophesy fulfilled it happened the very next day. Is it so hard to argue our point (most of us here are living in the west after all!) without insulting the opposing position. It bothers me that the pro-western position by a number of users is using curses and false narratives / propaganda to justify our position, instead of using facts.

There are serious flaws in the western argument. NS2, the fact the US vetoed an investigation, the fact Biden said he would end it, the fact the US said Ukraine blew it up, Russia's red line, the US knowing Russia's red line, double standards (cuban missile crisis), attacks on eastern Ukraine before the war, Ukrainian governments acknowledgement years prior to the outbreak of the war that they were about to go to war with Russia. <<-- all of that is not being properly addressed, and if it was addressed perhaps it could be used as a basis for finding a resolution / peace deal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_aggression

Figure out now.

Op wants to behave like a moderator. Ironically they are happy to have supporters of genocide freely post and even congratulate them; While reporting and falsely accusing others of harassment if they call out the behavior.

The pro-Russian argument was never winnable so this is the tactics the proponents resort to.

Russia has justification of self-defense though

let's not rewrite history here. i have been calling a murdering dictator "pootin" - whereas you have been calling ME a "piece of shit" - while ALSO clutching your pearls about civility. YOU are the one constantly complaining about language and using it as an excuse to dodge criticism - but only of those who oppose russia's warmongering. when russia apologists like ampoo, hamster, or junior insult me, you commend their posts. you couldn't be more of a hypocrite if you tried to.

also, why did you dodge my request to elaborate on how my description of what happened in donbas is allegedly different from blackz' version, the latter of which you claimed to agree with (including the part where he called your previous narrative "full of shit" btw)? you said they were different and i genuinely don't see how, so if you actually have an argument there please try to make it, and stop deflecting.

This post was edited by fender on Aug 16 2023 11:25am

posting in a "fender thinks its ok to call non r-worded people r-worded" thread. i heard that was ok from pard's resident bleeding heart liberal and took to calling my white friends the n-word, its just fine afterall.