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Apr 4 2022 12:47pm
Quote (chopstickz777 @ Apr 4 2022 12:22pm)
The fact that you take the various false flags carried out by the UK-based intelligence services seriously speaks volumes. They were poorly executed and easily exposed as being the fakes that they are.

But I can only assume that you are quite gullible, and any time that the media accuses Russia of any ridiculous lie, no matter how ridiculous it may be, that you will unquestioningly accept it as truth even though all the signs point to the opposite.

You want so bad for the US narrative of "good vs evil" in their fight against Russia to be correct. This trope or archetype resonates with you. Sadly, it has nothing to do with good or evil but rather is all about dominating Russia and stripping them of their sovereignty at any cost, so that the US and European elites might have full and absolute control over the entire planet.

Tell me, do you really want to live in a world where a handful of billionaire elites control everything, and there isn't a single nation left that can stand up to their will? What kind of world do you think that will be? Do you really want to watch Russia be crushed just so you can become a slave to them?


If they're all "easily exposed as fakes," then you should be able to knock them out in short order. Let's start with this joint project of the Arizona State University and an American think tank - not British: https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/06/11/russia-wagner-group-methods-bouta-killing-report/

If I were gullible, I'd believe you were telling the truth.

Putin is a dictator, of course he's evil. That doesn't make the Russian people bad, but until they clean their house, they're (you're) complicit.

A handful of billionaires (including Putin) run Russia, you can't possibly expect your point to be above reproach.

Quote (chopstickz777 @ Apr 4 2022 12:25pm)
Under normal circumstances, pointing out hypocrisy is an effective tactic. However, because the collective west lives in a natural state of hypocrisy and that indeed, this is our natural state of being to be hypocrites, nobody in the west cares.

Being a hypocrite is a completely normal thing for the west, with the exception of the few of us that somehow found a conscience.


Pointing out hypocrisy is what I did - by showing that Putin's Nazi buddies are carrying forward his foreign policy, so complaining about Putin attacking Ukraine over some Nazis there is fucking preposterous. Take off the clown shoes. What YOU did was try to deflect from my accurate criticism.
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Apr 4 2022 12:55pm
Quote (ferdia @ 4 Apr 2022 20:05)
If you had not previously stated that you were a toxic piece of shit and are only posting here to trigger people I honestly would have thought that you cant read. You have once again taken my post completely out of context. i will remind myself to ignore you, as the many people in this forum have already suggested to me both in this topic and via pm.

Staying on topic



broadly i dont mind quoting this.


now you're just outright lying. not only are YOU the one insulting ME ("piece of shit" - something i certainly never said about myself. you're the one calling me that, being "toxic" here - so stop clutching your pearls, hypocrite). i haven't been toxic or rude at all in this conversation, i merely pointed out some FACTS concerning trump's actions regarding ukraine and russia. you're obviously free to ignore me however much you want, but it's quite obvious that in this instance you're doing it because your position was comprehensively debunked. the reality of trump's actions concerning ukraine and russia fundamentally opposes your chosen narrative.

you might have fooled a lot of people with your soft and spongy approach towards kremlin narratives, but don't think your constant bothsidesisms (from the blame of starting this war in the first place to war crimes committed) and "misremembering" of widely reported actions and statements, could deceive someone who's paying attention.

that's why you "don't mind" supporting outright russian propaganda implying that donbass is legally russian territory (it just isn't, that's not how international law works), and that ukrainians are "terrorists" or "aggressors" for fighting off russian occupiers in ukrainian territory.
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Apr 4 2022 12:56pm
Quote (fender @ Apr 4 2022 07:55pm)
now you're just outright lying. not only are YOU the one insulting ME ("piece of shit" - something i certainly never said about myself. you're the one calling me that, being "toxic" here - so stop clutching your pearls, hypocrite). i haven't been toxic or rude at all in this conversation, i merely pointed out some FACTS concerning trump's actions regarding ukraine and russia. you're obviously free to ignore me however much you want, but it's quite obvious that in this instance you're doing it because your position was comprehensively debunked. the reality of trump's actions concerning ukraine and russia fundamentally opposes your chosen narrative.

you might have fooled a lot of people with your soft and spongy approach towards kremlin narratives, but don't think your constant bothsidesisms (from the blame of starting this war in the first place to war crimes committed) and "misremembering" of widely reported actions and statements, could deceive someone who's paying attention.

that's why you "don't mind" supporting outright russian propaganda implying that donbass is legally russian territory (it just isn't, that's not how international law works), and that ukrainians are "terrorists" or "aggressors" for fighting off russian occupiers in ukrainian territory.


you're one of the worst here. comrade.
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Apr 4 2022 01:22pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ Apr 3 2022 09:50pm)
Once again, Russia isn't justified in the escalation and western actions preceding the war leading to this can simultaneously be true. They're not mutually exclusive. I get your and others need to frame this conflict as good versus bad and then push narratives that enforce this absolutist world outlook but I don't buy it. Reality is grey, almost always is.


At the end of the day, Russia invaded Ukraine, and not the other way around. While Ukraine is not absolved of committing crimes in this fight, they didn't start it, and that makes them infinitely more likeable than the Russians

We (or at least, I) don't frame it as good versus evil. I posted about Ukrainian soldiers shooting Russian POWs in the legs, have consistently opposed a no fly zone, acknowledge a lot of pro-Ukrainian propaganda exists, etc

The difference between me and you is, I look at the whole picture and make a judgement based on known evidence, whereas you form an opinion based on your clear pro-Russian bias and cobble together excuses or potential justifications for their actions

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Apr 4 2022 01:31pm
Quote (chopstickz777 @ Apr 4 2022 05:22pm)
The fact that you take the various false flags carried out by the UK-based intelligence services seriously speaks volumes. They were poorly executed and easily exposed as being the fakes that they are.

But I can only assume that you are quite gullible, and any time that the media accuses Russia of any ridiculous lie, no matter how ridiculous it may be, that you will unquestioningly accept it as truth even though all the signs point to the opposite.

You want so bad for the US narrative of "good vs evil" in their fight against Russia to be correct. This trope or archetype resonates with you. Sadly, it has nothing to do with good or evil but rather is all about dominating Russia and stripping them of their sovereignty at any cost, so that the US and European elites might have full and absolute control over the entire planet.

Tell me, do you really want to live in a world where a handful of billionaire elites control everything, and there isn't a single nation left that can stand up to their will? What kind of world do you think that will be? Do you really want to watch Russia be crushed just so you can become a slave to them?


As soon as the Kremlin and Russian state propaganda comes out with something, Chopdickz isn't far behind: https://twitter.com/francska1/status/1510993878018670595

MI6 wouldn't be placing corpses around Ukraine. We would never put polonium 210 in a man's cup of tea either - it would be desecration of a perfectly good cup of tea

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Apr 4 2022 01:42pm
Quote (fender @ Apr 4 2022 07:55pm)
now you're just outright lying. not only are YOU the one insulting ME ("piece of shit" - something i certainly never said about myself. you're the one calling me that, being "toxic" here - so stop clutching your pearls, hypocrite). i haven't been toxic or rude at all in this conversation, i merely pointed out some FACTS concerning trump's actions regarding ukraine and russia. you're obviously free to ignore me however much you want, but it's quite obvious that in this instance you're doing it because your position was comprehensively debunked. the reality of trump's actions concerning ukraine and russia fundamentally opposes your chosen narrative.

you might have fooled a lot of people with your soft and spongy approach towards kremlin narratives, but don't think your constant bothsidesisms (from the blame of starting this war in the first place to war crimes committed) and "misremembering" of widely reported actions and statements, could deceive someone who's paying attention.

that's why you "don't mind" supporting outright russian propaganda implying that donbass is legally russian territory (it just isn't, that's not how international law works), and that ukrainians are "terrorists" or "aggressors" for fighting off russian occupiers in ukrainian territory.


i will take a page from your playbook and ask you relating to an extract of your stream of stupid, where did i support the narrative that donbass is legally russian territory? feel free not to respond (because you wont find it). IN THE MEANTIME i will go back over your posts, find your toxic self confession and repost it when i find it (somwhere in the last 100 pages).

if some one wants to look between 1-50 pages, i will take 51-133.

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Quote (justhackitup @ 4 Apr 2022 14:38)
You’re so closet-gay for trump it’s funny. I supported him and I don’t think about him as much as you do. How sad.


Oh wait ? Putin is just defending himself right ? :mellow:
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Apr 4 2022 01:55pm
Quote (dro94 @ Apr 4 2022 03:22pm)
At the end of the day, Russia invaded Ukraine, and not the other way around. While Ukraine is not absolved of committing crimes in this fight, they didn't start it, and that makes them infinitely more likeable than the Russians

We (or at least, I) don't frame it as good versus evil. I posted about Ukrainian soldiers shooting Russian POWs in the legs, have consistently opposed a no fly zone, acknowledge a lot of pro-Ukrainian propaganda exists, etc

The difference between me and you is, I look at the whole picture and make a judgement based on known evidence, whereas you form an opinion based on your clear pro-Russian bias and cobble together excuses or potential justifications for their actions


The pentagon came out today saying they can't confirm or deny Ukrainian claims about Bucha. UN is calling for an independent probe (the reason if it's not obvious is because in times of war things like this could be staged as to elicit some sort of international response or maybe Russia really did it and the UN wants their own proof not 2nd hand proof, remember "Assad used chemical weapons" claims by the rebels?). Russia has denied the claims. These are the facts as of today. I've seen at this point an Ukrainian armed forces video entering Bucha, talking to civilians on camera PRIOR (verifiable by their upload time on youtube) to the claims being made and none of the people reporting any of these atrocities nor were there any visible bodies littered on streets. But at this point, like goom said, no one really knows what happened, definitely neither of us know as we're thousands of miles away basically looking at 2nd hand sourcing.

Meanwhile before facts are even known you already decided that the Ukrainian claims are true and those were literal unarmed civilians and they just shot them for no other reason other than unjustified cruelty and nothing else because if they let them go they would run and report on the Russian positions. Okay. I'm just kind of confused how in time of war, when we've already experienced such obvious and blatant propaganda from both sides, you don't take at least a moment to question stuff. Like why do you think the ghost of kiev or snake island faded so fast out of social media or any news mentions? Let me guess, they'd lie about those things but never about this now right?

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The Ukrainian defenders of Snake Island -- who were all feared dead after their defiant response to threats from a Russian warship -- are actually "alive and well," according to the Ukrainian Navy.


https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/28/europe/snake-island-ukraine-russia-survivors-alive-intl/index.html

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Apr 4 2022 02:00pm
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Apr 4 2022 02:01pm
Approx. 250 Ukrainian soldiers reportedly surrendered in Mariupol: https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1511059121067511814

This would suggest that Ukrainian forces in Mariupol are running low on food, water and ammo
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Apr 4 2022 02:06pm
Quote (dro94 @ Apr 4 2022 01:31pm)
As soon as the Kremlin and Russian state propaganda comes out with something, Chopdickz isn't far behind: https://twitter.com/francska1/status/1510993878018670595

MI6 wouldn't be placing corpses around Ukraine. We would never put polonium 210 in a man's cup of tea either - it would be desecration of a perfectly good cup of tea


Whether you like it or not, truth and justice are on Russia's side, at-least in regards to Ukraine.

As for the Bucha false flag, those people were murdered by Ukraine. Moon of Alabama covers it well: https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/04/the-bucha-provocation.html#more

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I had yesterday, at 15:09 UTC, posted a timeline of the events in Bucha on Twitter. Here is an expanded version.

Mar 30 - Ru troops leave Bucha

Mar 31 - Mayor of Bucha announces town 'liberated', makes no mention of atrocities.

Bucha liberated from Russian invaders – mayor - Ukrinform

The mayor of Bucha in Kyiv region, Anatoliy Fedoruk, stated that the town had been liberated from Russian troops.
Fedoruk said this in his video address posted on Facebook, Ukrinform reports.

"March 31 will go down in the history of our Bucha community as the Day of Liberation. ..."

Apr 1/2 - Azov Nazis enter Bucha

Scenes of desperation and death as the Russians retreat from suburbs outside Kyiv. - New York Times

Ukrainian soldiers from the Azov battalion walked through the remnants of a Russian military convoy in the recently liberated town of Bucha on Saturday, just outside the capital after the Russians withdrew.
Apr 3 - Ukr MinDef publishes video of 'Russian' atrocities

Here are the latest developments in the war in Ukraine. - New York Times, Apr 3

Footage posted by Ukraine’s Defense Ministry and photographs from news agencies showed the bodies of men in civilian clothes on the streets of Bucha, a town northwest of Kyiv. Images showed some corpses with hands bound behind their back.


You see, if you'd bother to do your research on things like this then the true sequence of events would be clear to you.
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