Quote (Malopox @ 15 Aug 2023 16:27)

Heheh.

That one little conflict that Chinese propaganda conveniently shuffles under the rugs every time they blame the Americans for all their expansionary wars.

Chinese tried to invade Vietnam straight after US fled with their tails under their legs. Vietnamese meddled with Chinese puppet state of Cambodia which China didn’t like. China got upset but got their shit handed to them by battle hardened vietkong forces pretty bad. Do I get that right or did I skip some important details.

Quote (Vastet @ 15 Aug 2023 16:34)

It will be too easy we're near the edge of total satellite failure even without blowing up thousands of satellites. All we need do is continue as we are and space will be unnavigable in a single generation. The ISS has had to dodge debris 32 times and even with Russia America and most of the rest of the developed world watching it's still been hit at least twice. Noone has a solution to this problem even without war concerns to add on.

I agree China has no interest in war they are a nation of investment bankers at this time. Cruel manipulative and greedy, and 0 interest pissing profits away on war. But they have vested interest in territory the US constantly invades and the US is using multiple strategies against them, so I've no doubt China has prepared well for any American aggression in the region. If America attacked China, America would lose everything they attacked with. China would face the same in reverse, but it's clear China is never going to attempt it. The US might.

The North American definition of 3rd world has shifted significantly with the Soviet collapse. Colloquially, 3rd world is a country that is technologically, militarily, and economically dependent on a first world country (or isn't supported by a first world country and is a shit hole), and Russia is considered a first world country. There are no 2nd world countries in typical usage.
The old definitions stopped being applicable so the people changed the meaning. I apologize for any confusion this has caused. I usually converse with other North Americans and forgot the language wouldn't necessarily translate properly.

I'd normally bet on the American in that situation but there isn't 1 guy with a violin there's more like 600 million guys with violins. 600 million guys with home field advantage no less. Also, sometimes the little guy wins. The Taliban is a flea to America, yet they won.

Quote (Hamsterbaby @ 15 Aug 2023 04:06)

There were a few times that the Chinese were tested, Korean War and the Vietnam Border conflict.

Quote (Vastet @ 15 Aug 2023 16:43)

I missed a bit.

I would say thaose were tests of the old China, and is certainly a proper refutation to my WW2 comment. I'll rephrase that modern China has never been tested.

Quote (Prox1m1ty @ 15 Aug 2023 04:53)

The US and Russia are peers if you ask the Kremlin. Because the Kremlin regime depends on having an overseas adversary. Recently they can't make up their mind if it is the US, Nazis, Gays or just anybody that has an independent thought, that includes Russians.

Russia wants friction with the US. It makes them appear relevant on a global stage.
If your drinking the coolaid then the US is permanently plotting to breakup the Russian Federation. Joe Biden is digging tunnels into Moscow with his bare hands.

In reality the US is way, way more concerned about projecting power in the Pacific. This failed invasion has only served to provide the US with masses of intelligence on Russias military capability.
If they weren't overly concerned before now they are entirely convinced that Russia is an unproven regional power that happens to have nuclear weapons.

For 5% or less of its defence budget, the US has been able to prevent Russia steamrolling Ukraine and created an absolute catastrophe for Russias armed forces.
If you didn't already notice Russia launched what it called a special military operation with limited scope.
How many rounds of conscription have they gone through now?
Didn't they already clear out the rapists and murders from the jails?
Now some of those same PTSD enduced criminals are already back in Russia committing serious crimes.

Chalking the invasion up as anything short of a disaster for Russia is a commendable level of determination and denial.

Tldr?
Russia wants to appear as a global superpower.
Everybody knows Russia is a stumbling regional power.


^vastet Let's put your determination to the test, so on what vectors are the US and Russia peers?

Quote (Vastet @ 15 Aug 2023 16:59)

China may set bait of their own. There's no doubt they've watched Ukraine closely and there's no doubt they've taken note that even with all of NATO backing Western Ukraine, Russia is still there and still advancing. Ukraine is a singularity swallowing Western funds and munitions like there's no tomorrow, and China is sitting there building weapon stockpiles instead of using them. They're even using sanctions against Russia to justify not supplying Russia so they're not spending a single bullet as Russia and NATO both empty their stockpiles at record speed. China probably already has more non-nuclear munitions than all of NATO and Russia combined as a result. If they don't yet they will soon.

Quote (Hamsterbaby @ 15 Aug 2023 05:12)

I am not sure about the non nuclear munitions, are they building up ? Yes for sure . But I doubt they have that much munitions that can surpass what the world has at the moment.
But I have a feeling they will drag the United States into a direct war if the US decides to use a proxy to directly trigger one.
They will play a game of Chicken.

Quote (Vastet @ Aug 15 2023 10:07am)

No they're just peers.

Russia isn't the one dependent on an adversary, the US is.

I'm quite sure American intelligence is smarter than you and recognizes Russia hasn't devoted themselves to this conflict. Most of the Russian military hasn't set foot in Ukraine. Russia is content smashing Western stockpiles donated to a country that can never use them to greatest effect as they replace the US dollar which will crash the American military industrial complex in the coming decades.

The US alone is outspending Russia's military spending and yet still can't beat Russia on the ground. Sure throw more money at it I'm sure that will go well lol.

Computer sciences spies and missile technology as well as space capability are all Russia's favour. As admitted by the Pentagon.