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Aug 14 2023 07:01pm
Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Aug 14 2023 08:53pm)
The scary part is when the FEDs single people out and start to make contact with warnings. I am not sure if that is the case in the United States if you are not following the governmental script.
That doesn't sound very different from China or any other authoritarian country doesn't it ?


I have no idea but I can see them fishing in those type of places. Domestic terrorism/child porn other things like that, i would think they for sure have ways of luring people in. I don't really think it's at the point in our country where they would try to come down on people simply for rejecting the msm narrative.

I think this sub is a good example. Between covid, this war, many other wars, there's a lot of discourse where it's relatively free. It would be way too work intensive and expensive to try to monitor all of these forums and try to keep tabs. Who knows though.
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Aug 14 2023 07:05pm
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I have no idea but I can see them fishing in those type of places. Domestic terrorism/child porn other things like that, i would think they for sure have ways of luring people in. I don't really think it's at the point in our country where they would try to come down on people simply for rejecting the msm narrative.

I think this sub is a good example. Between covid, this war, many other wars, there's a lot of discourse where it's relatively free. It would be way too work intensive and expensive to try to monitor all of these forums and try to keep tabs. Who knows though.


True. It makes sense to go for those social media and forum that has a far wider reach domestically and internationally.
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Aug 14 2023 09:27pm
~12 years after Libya was 'liberated' by the defensive alliance of NATO this is their reality.

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Clashes have broken out in the Libyan capital Tripoli, residents said, after the reported seizure of a powerful armed faction commander by a rival force.

“We have heard gunfire for almost two hours now and we do not know what will happen. We fear for our safety,” said one of the residents in Furnaj district late on Monday.

Monday’s clashes are already the worst to hit Tripoli for months, though there has been sporadic violence between armed factions in some other parts of northwest Libya in recent weeks.

Libya has had little peace or security since a 2011 NATO-backed uprising, and control has been divided between warring eastern and western factions since 2014. While there has been a ceasefire since 2020, there is no sign of a lasting political solution.



https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/8/14/worst-fighting-in-months-as-clashes-hit-libyan-capital-tripoli
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Aug 14 2023 11:18pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ 15 Aug 2023 05:27)
~12 years after Libya was 'liberated' by the defensive alliance of NATO this is their reality.




https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/8/14/worst-fighting-in-months-as-clashes-hit-libyan-capital-tripoli


Im flabbergasted how NATO and the French in particular were so eager to get rid of Gaddafi even going as far breaching UN SC mandates and arming rebels.

And now that Gadaffi is gone nobody bats an eye. Who gives a shit. Why help solve the mess you created? People were so selfrighteous about human rights violations by Gadaffi regime and so moved by them that they led an intervention to depose of him. And now? It’s all roses and butterflies, leave them to their own devices to figure out the magic of “democracy” but with kalashnikovs? The most pure form of it?

Libya is a chaotic mess with no governance or ambitions, essentially becoming a glorified discounted petrol station.

This is why Russians are fighting back essentially. They saw what will happen next time “defensive alliance” shows up at your door. If they can’t convince the whole NATO - they will band together a “coalition of the willing” under some CIA manufactured bogus casus belli. I blame gutless Medvedevs administration for not vetoing UN SC resolution 1973.

It’s so much easier to destroy, dehumanize and destabilize than to promote peace, cooperation and prosperity,

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Aug 15 2023 12:16am
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~12 years after Libya was 'liberated' by the defensive alliance of NATO this is their reality.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/8/14/worst-fighting-in-months-as-clashes-hit-libyan-capital-tripoli


These sectarian and tribal conflicts already existed during Gaddafi's reign, he just kept a lid on them with an iron fist. This "peace" under Gaddafi was always a mirage and not tenable in the long run.

A prominent historical example are the Yugoslaw Wars: general Tito reigned the multiethnical powder keg of Yugoslavia for decades, he wasn't couped away by the West, he just died some day because he was old and sick. Things didn't go south right away, but as soon as the country faced the next serious crisis (the fall of the Iron Curtain and the collapse of the Soviet Union), shit hit the fan. The country broke apart along ethnic lines in a series of bloody, genocidal wars which caused devastations from which Yugoslavia's successor states still haven't fully recovered today, 30 years later.

What has happened in Libya since 2011 is very similar to Yugoslavia during the 90s.

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Aug 15 2023 12:42am
"Trump and 18 others charged in Georgia election inquiry"

for a moment i thought the headline was referring to the country. i giggled. foolish me.

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Aug 15 2023 01:14am
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You act like the US and Russia are peers. They are not even near peers. In any imaginable vector.

The US is the dominant global power for the past 75 years; Contrary to what doomsayers might suggest, the US global hegemony is going nowhere.
The more the US become isolationist, the more the rest of the world economy will suffer.

Russia is gas station on steroids that happened to inherit a stockpile of nuclear weapons. Terrible demographics. Rampant corruption. Yes they have vast resources. But when you ostracize your best customer of refined products, the EU. Your left with a consolation prize of selling your unrefined petroleum products to India and China at a cut price margin.
1 ruble is now equivalent to less than 1 cent. The arse has fallen out of Putins revisionist pipedream.
Russia is now essentially a vassal of China for the foreseeable future; That is until Xi grows tired of Russia's ever more costly war and nuclear posturing.

Shit, the only questions that remain are who will take the reigns after Putins inevitable demise and will he usurped before his own natural death.

But hey you miss 100% of the shots you don't take right?


You're delusional, they are peers whether you like it or not. The US has only been dominant for about 30 years and even during those 30 years at least 20 different countries would obliterate any force the US could send at them. The US can't even take on a 3rd world country it has lost every war it joined since 2000 and almost every war it joined since WW2. Now it is also losing the economic war on top of all the actual wars, and it won't sustain it's position even 50 more years at this rate.

The world economy has always been better off without the US.

Check the Ruble in 20 years. The tables will be reversed.

Russia is China's vassal lol so many ridiculous lies.
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Aug 15 2023 01:26am
Quote (ferdia @ 15 Aug 2023 14:42)
"Trump and 18 others charged in Georgia election inquiry"

for a moment i thought the headline was referring to the country. i giggled. foolish me.


Good one mate. :rofl:
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Aug 15 2023 01:34am
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You're delusional, they are peers whether you like it or not. The US has only been dominant for about 30 years and even during those 30 years at least 20 different countries would obliterate any force the US could send at them. The US can't even take on a 3rd world country it has lost every war it joined since 2000 and almost every war it joined since WW2. Now it is also losing the economic war on top of all the actual wars, and it won't sustain it's position even 50 more years at this rate.

The world economy has always been better off without the US.

Check the Ruble in 20 years. The tables will be reversed.

Russia is China's vassal lol so many ridiculous lies.


I mean sometimes people are rather delusional in that sense. But bear in mind my comment is not undermining the capabilities and prowess of the US military because her technology, experience is pretty much second to none.

That being said and I am going to use it in a D2 analogy.

If you are going to use a decked out LVL 99 Hammerdin with 125 FCR and Ber Ber COA with 9 matching 45 Lifer P Combat and max FHR against a level 70 Full Sigon set Zealer with an empty inventory.
You are going to win hands down.


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Aug 15 2023 01:47am
Quote (Hamsterbaby @ 15 Aug 2023 03:34)
I mean sometimes people are rather delusional in that sense. But bear in mind my comment is not undermining the capabilities and prowess of the US military because her technology, experience is pretty much second to none.

That being said and I am going to use it in a D2 analogy.

If you are going to use a decked out LVL 99 Hammerdin with 125 FCR and Ber Ber COA with 9 matching 45 Lifer P Combat and max FHR against a level 70 Full Sigon set Zealer with an empty inventory.
You are going to win hands down.


I was talking to proximity. And yes the US is number 1 in many areas. It also isn't in many areas. In the last 20 years China and Russia have both surpassed America in multiple technologies. Russia has completely blown by the US on the experience front, noone in NATO has a more experienced military. The US has also demonstrated repeatedly that even with all it's advantages cave dwellers with 3rd hand weapons can repel them completely. Your hammer analogy doesn't work to well in a close quarters cave, especially when you mess up and put your skill points in holy aura instead of hammers.

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