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Aug 13 2023 12:16pm
Quote (RussianPlebsAreFunneh @ Aug 13 2023 04:55am)
Thats all Ukrainian bullshit, there is no ideology to speak off that Russians follow. Nostalgic vibes and bunch of corrupt meatheads, drunks and drug addicts/convicts make up the bulk of their "army". You can call Putins criminal syndicate and bunch of dumb Russian plebs whatever you want.


It's far more accurate to call whatever Russia is as Putinism and not Ruscism/Rashism. The latter is essentially a slur against Russians. They don't have an ideology framework e.g. fascism, it's largely a cult of personality around a strong leader (Putin) and with typical populist conservative/right wing irredentist & revanchist undertones.
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Aug 13 2023 01:07pm
Quote (El1te @ 13 Aug 2023 20:16)
It's far more accurate to call whatever Russia is as Putinism and not Ruscism/Rashism. The latter is essentially a slur against Russians. They don't have an ideology framework e.g. fascism, it's largely a cult of personality around a strong leader (Putin) and with typical populist conservative/right wing irredentist & revanchist undertones.


How about Stalinism then ? Since Ruscism is "racist" (Btw i didnt even know Russians were belonging to a specific "race")




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it's a cough...

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How about Stalinism then ? Since Ruscism is "racist" (Btw i didnt even know Russians were belonging to a specific "race")

https://i.imgur.com/tqGblTQ.png


I think any positive mention of Stalin is troubling. But I can understand how they have nostalgia for a "strong leader". But in no way is the current Putin regime Stalinist, but they certainly lean that way in some regards, wanting to subjugate Ukraine being one of them.

Ruscism just isn't a very good term. It would be like calling Nazisim Germanism or fascism as Italism.

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Aug 13 2023 01:21pm
https://www.economist.com/europe/2023/08/10/to-bury-its-dead-ukraine-is-having-to-dig-up-victims-of-past-wars
https://archive.is/9vfW8


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So many people have been killed in the war that in Lviv, in western Ukraine, the latest victims are displacing the dead from wars past. On August 4th, Vitaly Chekovsky’s family looked on sadly as he was buried with two comrades, in a military section of the city’s historic Lychakiv cemetery. The sandy earth where they buried him was soft and loose. Until only weeks ago his grave had been the resting place of someone else.
The numbers of war dead are a secret in Ukraine, but it is possible to get an impression of the scale by visiting the rapidly expanding military cemeteries that feature in every town and city. At the Lychakiv cemetery, says Oleksandr Dmytriv, its director, Mr Chekovksy was the 507th to be buried since the invasion began on February 24th, 2022. At first the dead were buried in another part of the cemetery, but space quickly ran out, so the cemetery turned instead to a grassy slope where a war memorial had been built in the 1970s, while Ukraine was still part of the Soviet Union. As the rows of graves marched up the hill, the gravediggers unexpectedly found skeletons.
The Red Army liberated Lviv from the Nazis in 1944, and then pushed on westwards; but the fighting was not over. Ukrainian nationalist partisans battled troops from the nkvd, the predecessor to the kgb, for years afterwards. Mr Dmytriv believes that the majority of those buried in the newly found graves were nkvd men, and 560 of them have been exhumed since April to make way for the new dead. Eventually the exhumed will be buried somewhere else, and the Soviet memorial, where sand now blows over the names of the fallen, will also be moved. Mr Dmytriv says that, in a gruesome twist, the vast majority of the skeletons exhumed had had their skulls cut open. Before burial their corpses had been given to students of Lviv’s medical school to dissect.
Hopefully Mr Chekovsky will rest in peace forever, but if the Lychakiv cemetery’s past is any guide there is no guarantee of it. In 1915 the Russians, who were then in brief occupation of Lviv during the first world war, opened a cemetery just beyond where the nkvd men were later buried, for Austro-Hungarian troops. Eventually more than 4,700 were buried there. In the interwar years, the Poles, now in control of the city, began exhuming them. In 1946 the Soviets, who had subsequently seized Lviv from the Poles, began razing the old Austro-Hungarian cemetery, and since then civilians have been buried there.
On the other side of the Lychakiv cemetery lie Poles who died fighting the Ukrainians for control of Lviv in 1919-20, and after that the Red Army. In Soviet times these tombs were partially destroyed, and the cemetery fell into disrepair. When the Poles sponsored its restoration in the 1990s, the Ukrainian authorities decided to build another memorial, this one to those who died fighting those Poles. The Archangel Michael who tops the memorial’s column now looks down on the tombs of Ukrainians who fought the Russians after 2014, as well as those who died fighting the Soviets during and after the second world war.
History marches ever on and, sighs Inna Zolotar, a tour guide in Lviv, “it is also a weapon.” As for Lychakiv, she says it “reflects our complicated memory” including the things “we don’t know how to talk about.”■7
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Aug 13 2023 01:46pm
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I think any positive mention of Stalin is troubling. But I can understand how they have nostalgia for a "strong leader". But in no way is the current Putin regime Stalinist, but they certainly lean that way in some regards, wanting to subjugate Ukraine being one of them.

Ruscism just isn't a very good term. It would be like calling Nazisim Germanism or fascism as Italism.


A significant amount of people, at least that is what the MSN " Convince " us and the world in regards to the war, have been successfully absorbed into Clausewitz Trinity Theory. But an updated version.
Which is also the reason why they react as they should towards the "supposed" common enemy.

Example below.



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its fitting tbh

todays nazis get buried in the same place as the ukrainian supremacist nazis, who massacred poles and jews back in the day
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Aug 13 2023 01:54pm
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I think any positive mention of Stalin is troubling. But I can understand how they have nostalgia for a "strong leader". But in no way is the current Putin regime Stalinist, but they certainly lean that way in some regards, wanting to subjugate Ukraine being one of them.

Ruscism just isn't a very good term. It would be like calling Nazisim Germanism or fascism as Italism.


Ruscim is even accepted by schoolars (or at least alot of them) due historic forced russification and associated russianism/russicism, which is probably something big for Ukrainians. Staline was here too (holomodor). And the Empire even before (slavery).
It also reminds fascism, which is characterized by "1 strong leader" and "1 strong nation".

Typical answer against all this would be; "Butt you are russophobic !"

Which is actually wrong, by siding against the very core of the russian regime, i'm siding in favor of keeping and developping the russian culture, or what is left of it.
These regimes are destroying the culture of their country by locking it and by chasing/killing intellectuals.

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Ruscim is even accepted by schoolars (or at least alot of them) due historic forced russification and associated russianism/russicism, which is probably something big for Ukrainians. Staline was here too (holomodor). And the Empire even before (slavery).
It also reminds fascism, which is characterized by "1 strong leader" and "1 strong nation".

Typical answer against all this would be; "Butt you are russophobic !"

Which is actually wrong, by siding against the very core of the russian regime, i'm siding in favor of keeping and developping the russian culture, or what is left of it.
These regimes are destroying the culture of their country by locking it and by chasing/killing intellectuals.


Which scholars though? I'm going to guess only Western and US-allied scholars. Forced russification and the like are similar to what fascists do but are not exclusive to fascism.

I strongly believe that Putin wants to restore the Russian monarchy. I believe to achieve this Putin wants & is currently in favour of an autocratic regime to first restore the Russian sphere of influence somewhere similar to where it was during the Soviet Union before undergoing an official transition back to the Tsardom. He can achieve this by force & the threat of nuclear weapons, while grinding out his opponents in long wars where Russia historically has had the advantage and have been successful in.

However, I'm not sure what his plan is for the monarch since Lenin and the Bolsheviks were so thorough in completely eradicating the Russian royal family along with all of their relatives and extended relatives. I however do not think he would ever want to install himself as the Tsar but maybe someone he is close to.

Russians today are very traditional conservatives who revere the Orthodox church - Fascism is a modernist ideology that explicitly rejects conservatism, and this is most certainly not true of the majority of Russians. To call them fascist is just a gross mischaracterization of the ideology of fascism. Putin is closer to Francisco Franco imo - there's alot of alignment with fascism but the ideology itself is rejected in favour of traditional conservative institutions.

One of the greatest tragedies indeed of the Bolshevik revolution was the near complete destruction of Russian high culture & intellectualism - I believe Putin does want to restore this along with the traditional Tsardom. The Russians overwhelming do not support the Western-style liberal democracy of the Russian Federation how it currently exists/existed in the recent past

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Which scholars though? I'm going to guess only Western and US-allied scholars. Forced russification and the like are similar to what fascists do but are not exclusive to fascism.

I strongly believe that Putin wants to restore the Russian monarchy. I believe to achieve this Putin wants & is currently in favour of an autocratic regime to first restore the Russian sphere of influence somewhere similar to where it was during the Soviet Union before undergoing an official transition back to the Tsardom. He can achieve this by force & the threat of nuclear weapons, while grinding out his opponents in long wars where Russia historically has had the advantage and have been successful in.

However, I'm not sure what his plan is for the monarch since Lenin and the Bolsheviks were so thorough in completely eradicating the Russian royal family along with all of their relatives and extended relatives. I however do not think he would ever want to install himself as the Tsar but maybe someone he is close to.

Russians today are very traditional conservatives who revere the Orthodox church - Fascism is a modernist ideology that explicitly rejects conservatism, and this is most certainly not true of the majority of Russians. To call them fascist is just a gross mischaracterization of the ideology of fascism. Putin is closer to Francisco Franco imo - there's alot of alignment with fascism but the ideology itself is rejected in favour of traditional conservative institutions.

One of the greatest tragedies indeed of the Bolshevik revolution was the near complete destruction of Russian high culture & intellectualism - I believe Putin does want to restore this along with the traditional Tsardom. The Russians overwhelming do not support the Western-style liberal democracy of the Russian Federation how it currently exists/existed in the recent past


he is still beating on about Ruscim. I mean the wiki page on this, the first link, highlights that this is an idea fermented by racists. it blows my mind. it is literally dehumanizing and he is utterly unrepentant when he champions it. I highlighted this repeatedly and gave up on pointing this out when he just went on and on about it.

also its 24 hours later so i will just say, someone mentioned "illegal coup", my response is: this is a misnomer. there is nothing legal about any coup, by definition. :)

yes, pedantic haha.

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he is still beating on about Ruscim. I mean the wiki page on this, the first link, highlights that this is an idea fermented by racists. it blows my mind. it is literally dehumanizing and he is utterly unrepentant when he champions it. I highlighted this repeatedly and gave up on pointing this out when he just went on and on about it.

also its 24 hours later so i will just say, someone mentioned "illegal coup", my response is: this is a misnomer. there is nothing legal about any coup, by definition. :)

yes, pedantic haha.


Is there such a thing called legal coup. :lol:



I think what Putin wants and it is an important part of the equation, is to solidify his legacy in Russian history.
People perish. Legacy last for a long time be it a good thing or a bad thing.

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