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Apr 4 2022 11:22am
Quote (Santara @ Apr 4 2022 11:18am)
How many different sources will you require for my Google search of "Wagner group atrocities?"

Lol, "false flag." How about that polonium?


The fact that you take the various false flags carried out by the UK-based intelligence services seriously speaks volumes. They were poorly executed and easily exposed as being the fakes that they are.

But I can only assume that you are quite gullible, and any time that the media accuses Russia of any ridiculous lie, no matter how ridiculous it may be, that you will unquestioningly accept it as truth even though all the signs point to the opposite.

You want so bad for the US narrative of "good vs evil" in their fight against Russia to be correct. This trope or archetype resonates with you. Sadly, it has nothing to do with good or evil but rather is all about dominating Russia and stripping them of their sovereignty at any cost, so that the US and European elites might have full and absolute control over the entire planet.

Tell me, do you really want to live in a world where a handful of billionaire elites control everything, and there isn't a single nation left that can stand up to their will? What kind of world do you think that will be? Do you really want to watch Russia be crushed just so you can become a slave to them?
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Apr 4 2022 11:24am
Quote (chopstickz777 @ Apr 4 2022 12:22pm)
The fact that you take the various false flags carried out by the UK-based intelligence services seriously speaks volumes. They were poorly executed and easily exposed as being the fakes that they are.

But I can only assume that you are quite gullible, and any time that the media accuses Russia of any ridiculous lie, no matter how ridiculous it may be, that you will unquestioningly accept it as truth even though all the signs point to the opposite.

You want so bad for the US narrative of "good vs evil" in their fight against Russia to be correct. This trope or archetype resonates with you. Sadly, it has nothing to do with good or evil but rather is all about dominating Russia and stripping them of their sovereignty at any cost, so that the US and European elites might have full and absolute control over the entire planet.

Tell me, do you really want to live in a world where a handful of billionaire elites control everything, and there isn't a single nation left that can stand up to their will? What kind of world do you think that will be? Do you really want to watch Russia be crushed just so you can become a slave to them?


this post brought you pard by the guy who said Russia would never invade, but can totally tell what are false flags.
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Apr 4 2022 11:25am
Quote (Santara @ Apr 4 2022 11:21am)
chopsticks uses deflection. It is not very effective.


Under normal circumstances, pointing out hypocrisy is an effective tactic. However, because the collective west lives in a natural state of hypocrisy and that indeed, this is our natural state of being to be hypocrites, nobody in the west cares.

Being a hypocrite is a completely normal thing for the west, with the exception of the few of us that somehow found a conscience.
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Apr 4 2022 11:26am
Quote (thesnipa @ Apr 4 2022 12:24pm)
this post brought you pard by the guy who said Russia would never invade, but can totally tell what are false flags.


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Apr 4 2022 11:39am
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this post brought you pard by the guy who said Russia would never invade, but can totally tell what are false flags.


Your IQ would have to be significantly below that of a chimpanzee to believe the Skripal poisoning story, which has so many holes in it that it looks like swiss cheese.

As for the invasion, I will admit I was wrong. However, I didn't have the full picture at the time. It seems that Ukraine's threats of joining NATO were more acute than I thought. On top of that, they were planning a military offensive on Donbass slated for around March 8th, meaning that Russia would've been forced to fight in order to protect Donbass in any case, either that or simply allow the 1.5 million people in Donbass to get completely wiped out in a most brutal fashion, which was not an option. Zelensky's threats to acquire nuclear weapons only sealed the deal even further, it was the final nail in the coffin one might say. If reports are to be believed, Ukraine could have done this easily with pre-existing infrastructure and furthermore could have modified their Tochka-U systems to create missiles with nuclear warheads, making it a very serious threat to Moscow.


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Keep telling yourself that. Feel free to let me know when the fact you're a hypocrite easily duped by MSM propaganda - out of an unfounded sense of hatred for Russia - finally starts to bother you. I'll be waiting.

In the meantime, maybe you should ask yourself why you hate Russia so much that you would side with an openly neo-nazi regime in Kiev, responsible for countless atrocities and war crimes, atrocities of which no similar evidence at all exists against Russia.



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Apr 4 2022 11:41am
Quote (chopstickz777 @ Apr 4 2022 10:39am)
Your IQ would have to be significantly below that of a chimpanzee to believe the Skripal poisoning story, which has so many holes in it that it looks like swiss cheese.

As for the invasion, I will admit I was wrong. However, I didn't have the full picture at the time. It seems that Ukraine's threats of joining NATO were more acute than I thought. On top of that, they were planning a military offensive on Donbass slated for around March 8th, meaning that Russia would've been forced to fight in order to protect Donbass in any case, either that or simply allow the 1.5 million people in Donbass to get completely wiped out in a most brutal fashion, which was not an option. Zelensky's threats to acquire nuclear weapons only sealed the deal even further, it was the final nail in the coffin one might say. If reports are to be believed, Ukraine could have done this easily with pre-existing infrastructure and furthermore could have modified their Tochka-U systems to create missiles with nuclear warheads, making it a very serious threat to Moscow.




Keep telling yourself that. Feel free to let me know when the fact you're a hypocrite easily duped by MSM propaganda - out of an unfounded sense of hatred for Russia - finally starts to bother you. I'll be waiting.

In the meantime, maybe you should ask yourself why you hate Russia so much that you would side with an openly neo-nazi regime in Kiev, responsible for countless atrocities and war crimes, atrocities of which no similar evidence at all exists against Russia.


spouting nonsense for months because you actually think Putin cares about Nazis
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Apr 4 2022 11:55am
Quote (theCrossbones @ Apr 4 2022 11:41am)
spouting nonsense for months because you actually think Putin cares about Nazis


It might come as a surprise to you but there are some people left in the world that still give a shit about other people and hold positions of power.

Of course, the more pressing issue for Russia is indeed the fact that Ukraine wanted to join NATO. That said, they could not turn a blind eye to the slaughter of Donbass which would have taken place without their intervention either.

A surefire way for Putin to lose all his popularity would have been for him to do nothing in the wake of a massive Ukrainian offensive on Donbass. The political consequences for doing nothing would have been huge.

If he had done nothing, all those people would have died at the hands of the Ukrainian army. They would have killed everyone and everything in sight, completely indiscriminately. And not a single media outlet would mention it, and nobody in the west would have shed a single tear. Not a single person, other than the small handful that read independent blogs.

It's as if the lives of people don't matter until the media says they do. And even then, lives only matter when it's Russia taking them. In all other cases, it's A-ok.
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Apr 4 2022 12:03pm
Quote (chopstickz777 @ Apr 4 2022 06:15pm)
So you post a British news article that I can't even read without subscribing (which I'm not going to do) that could easily be propaganda, but I can't discern because I can't read it.

It should be noted that the Brits are the same people who tried to frame Putin for several poisoning false flags, most notably on the Skripals, which turned out to be a hilarious and obvious fake that badly undermined their credibility.

I can't take anything from the UK seriously unless it's an independent blogger, sorry. As for Azov's crimes in Mariupol, we have direct photo and video evidence as well as dozens of witnesses that have come forward. I wonder why the western MSM is not covering their side of the story? Hmm!


the article outlined that Russia belatedly admitted to ill deeds in Africa. its probably locked by country, i can view it fine. I dont think this is any worse then what we have seen from other supoer powers (America; China). Here is a snippet of the article:

Russian mercenaries committed atrocities in the Central African Republic as the government tried to defend itself against rebels, the regime has admitted. The report is a rare acknowledgment of excesses committed by foreign fighters that are widely seen as the proxy private army of the Kremlin as it seeks to revive its Soviet-era influence in Africa. It also bolsters claims by the United Nations that units from the Wagner Group were responsible for civilian killings, gang rape and torture.

Hundreds of Russian troops are in the central African state to shore up the besieged regime of President Touadéra against rebels seeking to overturn last year’s election results, which he claims to have won.

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Apr 4 2022 12:05pm
Quote (chopstickz777 @ Apr 4 2022 12:55pm)
It might come as a surprise to you but there are some people left in the world that still give a shit about other people and hold positions of power.

Of course, the more pressing issue for Russia is indeed the fact that Ukraine wanted to join NATO. That said, they could not turn a blind eye to the slaughter of Donbass which would have taken place without their intervention either.

A surefire way for Putin to lose all his popularity would have been for him to do nothing in the wake of a massive Ukrainian offensive on Donbass. The political consequences for doing nothing would have been huge.

If he had done nothing, all those people would have died at the hands of the Ukrainian army. They would have killed everyone and everything in sight, completely indiscriminately. And not a single media outlet would mention it, and nobody in the west would have shed a single tear. Not a single person, other than the small handful that read independent blogs.

It's as if the lives of people don't matter until the media says they do. And even then, lives only matter when it's Russia taking them. In all other cases, it's A-ok.


"Putin invaded to protect his popularity, and as a result has lost a lot of popularity and continues to lose popularity as economic sanctions continue" - sincerely, Putin puppet who said he wouldnt invade.

literally no one at all believes a word u said.
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Quote (fender @ Apr 4 2022 06:15pm)
that makes no sense whatsoever. you claimed trump was a sanctions man, but that's factually wrong when it comes to russia: he repeatedly tried to ease and block sanctions on them, so the exact opposite of what you were suggesting.
additionally, he weakened ukraine's strategic position by withdrawing from the open skies treaty, and it resulted in EXACTLY what the ukrainians feared, and why they urged him NOT to do that: a russian invasion.
trump made it EASIER and MORE LIKELY for russia to invade, not harder.


If you had not previously stated that you were a toxic piece of shit and are only posting here to trigger people I honestly would have thought that you cant read. You have once again taken my post completely out of context. i will remind myself to ignore you, as the many people in this forum have already suggested to me both in this topic and via pm.

Staying on topic

Quote (chopstickz777 @ Apr 4 2022 06:12pm)
It should be understood that the reason there is a war in Ukraine right now is because Biden, or rather the Neocons which basically completely run his foreign policy, gave the green-light to Ukraine to wage a military offensive on the Donbass. The difference is that Trump would not have approved it. And so Russia was forced to react to this military threat against Donbass.

If Trump were in office, the conflict would have likely simmered another 4 years while the Ukrainians waited for an administration more sympathetic to their desire to conquer Donbass by force.

But they did not have to wait. And so here we are.

It will be really interesting to see what happens if and when Trump re-takes the white house in 2024. His natural instinct will be to reduce tensions in Ukraine, as he should. No doubt Congress, being the warmongering MIC puppets that they are, will react in horror.


broadly i dont mind quoting this.

This post was edited by ferdia on Apr 4 2022 12:12pm
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