d2jsp
Log InRegister
d2jsp Forums > Off-Topic > General Chat > Political & Religious Debate > Russia / Ukraine
Prev1327632773278327932805001Next
Closed New Topic New Poll
Member
Posts: 34,186
Joined: May 25 2007
Gold: 21.00
Warn: 10%
Aug 12 2023 03:10pm
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Aug 12 2023 02:02pm)
Could you refresh my memory of when I constantly brought up the soviet union?

What war against Russia? You realise that Russia started a war with Ukraine, you do realise that right?


Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Aug 12 2023 03:14am)
Who's American?

The front is beckoning you comrade. Vlad needs another 50 thousand for the meat grinder.

Don't worry however. When you don't return your wife will get a sack of potatoes as restitution.


Oh look heres another one where you reference the soviet union

Do you really have such short term memory loss that you can't remember typing this?

This post was edited by El1te on Aug 12 2023 03:11pm
Member
Posts: 34,186
Joined: May 25 2007
Gold: 21.00
Warn: 10%
Aug 12 2023 03:15pm
Quote (Meanwhile @ Aug 9 2023 01:42am)
2014 "coup" ...

Ukraine’s parliament voted 328–0 (about 73% of its 447 members) to remove President Viktor Yanukovich, who abandoned his Kiev office.
The "president" had to flee to his mother Russia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Yanukovych#Fleeing_to_Russia
On a side note:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titushky
Titushky were employed by the Yanukovych government with a reported daily pay of 200 hryvnia. Some of them were also suspected to be illegal formations of combat troops carrying concealed pistols. Their aim was to intimidate and disperse demonstrations by opponents of the government, and attack participants and representatives of the media. The term is sometimes translated as "Rent a Thug."

To summarize:

These 3 points are demolishing the "coup" designation made by russian propagandists:

- Yanukovich deliberately lied about joining EU / investments to get elected, then later turned back: protests were perfectly justified
- Yanukovich pro-russian secret police used paid thugs in an attempt to turn the protests into violent riots to proceed (and excuse) repression
- Constitutional vote: Ukraine’s parliament voted 328–0 (about 73% of its 447 members) to remove President Viktor Yanukovich


To respond to your post because I didn't get around to formulating a reply:

The vote was a completely illegitimate vote under coercion from pro-USA thugs who physically removed any dissidents

I'm not denying that the pro-Russia government used thugs to provoke violence at protests, in fact the current USA is still doing this today... and Ukraine is guilty of the exact same thing.

These are all rhetorical arguments you are using to justify the 2014 coup. And I don't even think the 2014 coup was a bad thing or unjustified. I think Western nations treat their citizens better than Russian nations. That doesn't change the FACT that it was a violent illegal coup and Russian response to it is legitimate
Member
Posts: 34,186
Joined: May 25 2007
Gold: 21.00
Warn: 10%
Aug 12 2023 03:17pm
Quote (Meanwhile @ Aug 12 2023 02:07pm)
It's completely delirious and it reminds me when i corrected you about the 2014 "claimed coup": You never answered and admitted how wrong you were:

https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=92094408&f=119&p=649808406

What is true in what you said:

- Putin is a ruscist and ruscism is a form of fascism. So yeah, Putin is kinda Hitlerish...
- "Fuck Soviet Union and its repression of citizens". Well, yes ? 20 millions died in Gulag or so. And Putin loves the good old USSR...
- "It's a Russian war of aggression". I guess it is considering the amount of crimes. Completely -asymetric- in comparison with what some Ukrainian nationalists did years ago.

Not the first time i'm catching you writing the worse human possible bullshit anyway.


Saying Putin is a "ruscist" or whatever is just a rhetorical argument saying "he's a bad guy so the war is justified" EVERY SIDE IN EVERY WAR SAYS THIS ABOUT THEIR ENEMIES. IT MEANS NOTHING.

YES obviously the Soviet Union was BAD. My problem is that leftists such as you in the West support far-left and communist-aligned policies IN THE PRESENT DAY. WHY?

3) You're completely IGNORING the crimes committed by Ukrainian Nazi terrorists over the past 8 years in the Donbas. It is NOT asymmetric, in fact it is VERY symmetric.
Member
Posts: 20,044
Joined: Apr 13 2016
Gold: 32,397.50
Aug 12 2023 03:17pm
Quote (El1te @ Aug 12 2023 10:10pm)
Oh look heres another one where you reference the soviet union

Do you really have such short term memory loss that you can't remember typing this?


:bonk: :rofl:

You got some cognitive issues guy. Work through that, you'll be alright.
Member
Posts: 56,386
Joined: Jan 19 2007
Gold: 579,208.49
Aug 12 2023 03:17pm
Quote (El1te @ Aug 12 2023 10:15pm)
To respond to your post because I didn't get around to formulating a reply:

The vote was a completely illegitimate vote under coercion from pro-USA thugs who physically removed any dissidents

I'm not denying that the pro-Russia government used thugs to provoke violence at protests, in fact the current USA is still doing this today... and Ukraine is guilty of the exact same thing.

These are all rhetorical arguments you are using to justify the 2014 coup.And I don't even think the 2014 coup was a bad thing or unjustified. I think Western nations treat their citizens better than Russian nations. That doesn't change the FACT that it was a violent illegal coup and Russian response to it is legitimate


im bored.
can i be pedantic ?

This post was edited by ferdia on Aug 12 2023 03:18pm
Member
Posts: 34,186
Joined: May 25 2007
Gold: 21.00
Warn: 10%
Aug 12 2023 03:20pm
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Aug 12 2023 02:17pm)
:bonk: :rofl:

You got some cognitive issues guy. Work through that, you'll be alright.


You have no response, thanks for proving me right

Stop smoking so much dope maybe you'll have better memory
Member
Posts: 66,666
Joined: May 17 2005
Gold: 17,384.69
Aug 12 2023 03:20pm
Quote (El1te @ 12 Aug 2023 23:15)
To respond to your post because I didn't get around to formulating a reply:

The vote was a completely illegitimate vote under coercion from pro-USA thugs who physically removed any dissidents

I'm not denying that the pro-Russia government used thugs to provoke violence at protests, in fact the current USA is still doing this today... and Ukraine is guilty of the exact same thing.

These are all rhetorical arguments you are using to justify the 2014 coup.And I don't even think the 2014 coup was a bad thing or unjustified. I think Western nations treat their citizens better than Russian nations. That doesn't change the FACT that it was a violent illegal coup and Russian response to it is legitimate


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Yanukovych#Removal_from_presidency

You don't even read ? The pro-russian president was so corrupt and unpopular after his betrayal that 75% vs 0% of the Ukrainian parliament Kicked him out. It was a PURE constitutional vote.

In bold ? Wtf, source ? Are you taking drugs or something ? :o

This post was edited by Meanwhile on Aug 12 2023 03:21pm
Member
Posts: 34,186
Joined: May 25 2007
Gold: 21.00
Warn: 10%
Aug 12 2023 03:22pm
Quote (Meanwhile @ Aug 12 2023 02:20pm)
You don't even read ? The pro-russian president was so corrupt and unpopular after his betrayal that 75% vs 0% of the Ukrainian parliament Kicked him out. It was a PURE constitutional vote.

In bold ? Wtf, source ? Are you taking drugs or something ? :o


I'm not denying he was corrupt or that he was not a puppet of Putin.

If Ukrainians really wanted to kick him out, then why didn't they do it through the democratic electoral process instead of a violent coup?

edit: the vote was as constitutional as Germany's vote on the Enabling Act

This post was edited by El1te on Aug 12 2023 03:24pm
Member
Posts: 20,044
Joined: Apr 13 2016
Gold: 32,397.50
Aug 12 2023 03:24pm
Quote (El1te @ Aug 12 2023 10:20pm)
You have no response, thanks for proving me right

Stop smoking so much dope maybe you'll have better memory


Your leap from me using the word comrade, to me constantly mentioning the soviet union as an excuse to justify war with Russia?

That some crackhead gymnastics, you do you guy. You do you.
Member
Posts: 34,186
Joined: May 25 2007
Gold: 21.00
Warn: 10%
Aug 12 2023 03:25pm
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Aug 12 2023 02:24pm)
Your leap from me using the word comrade, to me constantly mentioning the soviet union as an excuse to justify war with Russia?

That some crackhead gymnastics, you do you guy. You do you.


Comrade is a reference to the soviet union, and you in bad faith pretending otherwise means nothing other than exposing yourself as an imbecile
Go Back To Political & Religious Debate Topic List
Prev1327632773278327932805001Next
Closed New Topic New Poll