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Apr 4 2022 10:58am
Quote (Santara @ Apr 4 2022 10:55am)
Wagner group says differently.


Please point me to an instance of Wagner PMC's murdering a woman before branding a swastika on her chest like the Azovites did to that poor woman in Mariupol. Then maybe you would have a point.
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Apr 4 2022 11:05am
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Please point me to an instance of Wagner PMC's murdering a woman before branding a swastika on her chest like the Azovites did to that poor woman in Mariupol. Then maybe you would have a point.


https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/russias-wagner-group-committed-atrocities-in-central-african-republic-6v63bgqtx
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Apr 4 2022 11:09am
Quote (Santara @ Apr 4 2022 06:05pm)


I must admit this was fast. well done.

This post was edited by ferdia on Apr 4 2022 11:09am
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Apr 4 2022 11:12am
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not being dead is better off but I accept some people have the notion "better free (dead) then under the yoke of Russia".

if what all you say is true then : If Trump had been re-elected Russia would likely not have invaded. In this regard I actually applaud Donald Trump (I am not a fan of Donald Trump ok, I liked Obama).


It should be understood that the reason there is a war in Ukraine right now is because Biden, or rather the Neocons which basically completely run his foreign policy, gave the green-light to Ukraine to wage a military offensive on the Donbass. The difference is that Trump would not have approved it. And so Russia was forced to react to this military threat against Donbass.

If Trump were in office, the conflict would have likely simmered another 4 years while the Ukrainians waited for an administration more sympathetic to their desire to conquer Donbass by force.

But they did not have to wait. And so here we are.

It will be really interesting to see what happens if and when Trump re-takes the white house in 2024. His natural instinct will be to reduce tensions in Ukraine, as he should. No doubt Congress, being the warmongering MIC puppets that they are, will react in horror.
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Apr 4 2022 11:13am
Quote (vladik125rus @ Jan 25 2022 05:37am)
That's all, American propaganda, there is no invasion and there won't be.


ironically you were wrong.
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Apr 4 2022 11:15am
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So you post a British news article that I can't even read without subscribing (which I'm not going to do) that could easily be propaganda, but I can't discern because I can't read it.

It should be noted that the Brits are the same people who tried to frame Putin for several poisoning false flags, most notably on the Skripals, which turned out to be a hilarious and obvious fake that badly undermined their credibility.

I can't take anything from the UK seriously unless it's an independent blogger, sorry. As for Azov's crimes in Mariupol, we have direct photo and video evidence as well as dozens of witnesses that have come forward. I wonder why the western MSM is not covering their side of the story? Hmm!
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Quote (ferdia @ 4 Apr 2022 18:56)
not being dead is better off but I accept some people have the notion "better free (dead) then under the shadow of Russia".

if what all you say is true then : If Trump had been re-elected Russia would likely not have invaded. In this regard I actually applaud Donald Trump.


that makes no sense whatsoever. you claimed trump was a sanctions man, but that's factually wrong when it comes to russia: he repeatedly tried to ease and block sanctions on them, so the exact opposite of what you were suggesting.
additionally, he weakened ukraine's strategic position by withdrawing from the open skies treaty, and it resulted in EXACTLY what the ukrainians feared, and why they urged him NOT to do that: a russian invasion.
trump made it EASIER and MORE LIKELY for russia to invade, not harder.
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Apr 4 2022 11:18am
Quote (chopstickz777 @ Apr 4 2022 12:15pm)
So you post a British news article that I can't even read without subscribing (which I'm not going to do) that could easily be propaganda, but I can't discern because I can't read it.

It should be noted that the Brits are the same people who tried to frame Putin for several poisoning false flags, most notably on the Skripals, which turned out to be a hilarious and obvious fake that badly undermined their credibility.

I can't take anything from the UK seriously unless it's an independent blogger, sorry. As for Azov's crimes in Mariupol, we have direct photo and video evidence as well as dozens of witnesses that have come forward. I wonder why the western MSM is not covering their side of the story? Hmm!


How many different sources will you require for my Google search of "Wagner group atrocities?"

Lol, "false flag." How about that polonium?

This post was edited by Santara on Apr 4 2022 11:18am
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I also find it amusing that anybody would seriously think that Wagner is somehow worse than the infamous US academi mercenaries, whom were so hated in Iraq that a bunch of them got attacked by a huge mob and their heads put on public display.
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I also find it amusing that anybody would seriously think that Wagner is somehow worse than the infamous US academi mercenaries, whom were so hated in Iraq that a bunch of them got attacked by a huge mob and their heads put on public display.


chopsticks uses deflection. It is not very effective.
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