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Apr 4 2022 09:31am
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It probably relates to the storming of your capital / Riots as well as whatever else he did during his term of office that pissed a large portion of America off (wall, covid, undermining/degrading political structure etc etc). Ultimately (again, from a neutral standpoint) the narrative I saw from my vantage point was that a portion of America was dead set against him and (in my view and understanding) saw his term of office as a stain on America / stain on their views from the get go. Therefore they want to forget about him as quickly as possible. If any of that summary is wrong, I invite anyone to, briefly, refute.

Its ironic really noting we may not be in the current situation in Ukraine if Trump had been re-elected ( I do accept that prior to Trump, Foreign Policy was blind to whichever party was in power i.e. it didnt really differ). I think you said it a few pages back (correct me now if wrong) that Trump was more keen to use sanctions then troops on the ground. A novel departure from previous foreign policy of sending troops (not to be confused with current events of not sending troops).


these same people talked about Obama every single day after he left office, and still bring him up all of the time.
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just curious why do people act like the last president we just had shouldnt come up all of the time?


If there's a reason, sure. He was responding to someone else and made a very presumptuous "but Trump called him a genius and you like Trump so you think he's a genius unless you don't think Putin is a genius then isn't Trump so stupid for thinking he is? Huh? Huh? Huh?"

So transparent ya'll are easier to read than a book with pictures. You ain't slick. B)
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Apr 4 2022 10:36am
Quote (justhackitup @ Apr 4 2022 11:10am)
If there's a reason, sure. He was responding to someone else and made a very presumptuous "but Trump called him a genius and you like Trump so you think he's a genius unless you don't think Putin is a genius then isn't Trump so stupid for thinking he is? Huh? Huh? Huh?"

So transparent ya'll are easier to read than a book with pictures. You ain't slick. B)


you got triggered by a 4 word post and an emoji.
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It probably relates to the storming of your capital / Riots as well as whatever else he did during his term of office that pissed a large portion of America off (wall, covid, undermining/degrading political structure etc etc). Ultimately (again, from a neutral standpoint) the narrative I saw from my vantage point was that a portion of America was dead set against him and (in my view and understanding) saw his term of office as a stain on America / stain on their views from the get go. Therefore they want to forget about him as quickly as possible. If any of that summary is wrong, I invite anyone to, briefly, refute.

Its ironic really noting we may not be in the current situation in Ukraine if Trump had been re-elected ( I do accept that prior to Trump, Foreign Policy was blind to whichever party was in power i.e. it didnt really differ). I think you said it a few pages back (correct me now if wrong) that Trump was more keen to use sanctions then troops on the ground. A novel departure from previous foreign policy of sending troops (not to be confused with current events of not sending troops).


not when it comes to russia. a quick reminder: trump withheld congressionally approved military aid to ukraine. he also repeatedly blocked and even tried to ease sanctions against russia, despite bipartisan opposition. he also unilaterally withdrew from the open skies treaty during his last days in office, even though the ukrainians begged him not to do that, (correctly) anticipating a subsequent russian withdrawal, significantly increasing the chances of a large scale invasion.

trump did everything within his power to weaken ukraine and strengthen putin's position - to suggest ukraine would be better off with him as american president is frankly absurd.
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Apr 4 2022 10:45am
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trump did everything within his power to weaken ukraine


Good.

Anything that weakens the neo-nazi regime in Ukraine is a win in my book.

They have to be removed for Ukraine to have any semblance of a normal existence.

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Good.

Anything that weakens the neo-nazi regime in Ukraine is a win in my book.

They have to be removed for Ukraine to have any semblance of a normal existence.


What about the neo-Nazi regime in Moscow? Could you tell us your feelings on that?
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What about the neo-Nazi regime in Moscow? Could you tell us your feelings on that?


The question is a non-starter because you are blindly applying labels which *do* fit Ukraine but don't actually fit Russia.

There may be neo-nazi groups in Russia, but they don't have the kind of power in Russia that they do in Ukraine, where hardcore criminals are allowed to just go on killing sprees whenever they like while at the same time running the Ukrainian police and SBU, so they cannot be held accountable everytime they go on a murder spree.

Moscow is actually fighting against the modern-day incarnation of Nazism which has festered like a disease across the border from them.
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Apr 4 2022 10:55am
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The question is a non-starter because you are blindly applying labels which *do* fit Ukraine but don't actually fit Russia.

There may be neo-nazi groups in Russia, but they don't have the kind of power in Russia that they do in Ukraine, where hardcore criminals are allowed to just go on killing sprees whenever they like while at the same time running the Ukrainian police and SBU, so they cannot be held accountable everytime they go on a murder spree.

Moscow is actually fighting against the modern-day incarnation of Nazism which has festered like a disease across the border from them.


Wagner group says differently.
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Apr 4 2022 10:56am
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not when it comes to russia. a quick reminder: trump withheld congressionally approved military aid to ukraine. he also repeatedly blocked and even tried to ease sanctions against russia, despite bipartisan opposition. he also unilaterally withdrew from the open skies treaty during his last days in office, even though the ukrainians begged him not to do that, (correctly) anticipating a subsequent russian withdrawal, significantly increasing the chances of a large scale invasion.

trump did everything within his power to weaken ukraine and strengthen putin's position - to suggest ukraine would be better off with him as american president is frankly absurd.


not being dead is better off but I accept some people have the notion "better free (dead) then under the shadow of Russia".

if what all you say is true then : If Trump had been re-elected Russia would likely not have invaded. In this regard I actually applaud Donald Trump.

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