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Aug 8 2023 06:20pm
Quote (zorzin @ 9 Aug 2023 02:05)
The ((war profiteers)) want nothing more than more brother wars and they own the states so what they say goes.

Lol'd at there's nothing the "west" could do.


there is a reasonable argument to be made about the military-industrial complex and its massive influence on US foreign politics, but the same doesn't hold true for large parts of europe.

again, if either ukrainian or russian leadership decided to stop fighting, there's nothing those war profiteers could do about it. there are no western boots on the ground.

no need to completely overstate the massive power those disgusting war-profiteers already have. but i guess in order for you to blame "the west" for a war that russia decided to start and could easily end at any point if they wanted to, you have to resort to conspiratorial bs...
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Aug 8 2023 06:43pm
Quote (fender @ Aug 8 2023 08:20pm)
there is a reasonable argument to be made about the military-industrial complex and its massive influence on US foreign politics, but the same doesn't hold true for large parts of europe.

again, if either ukrainian or russian leadership decided to stop fighting, there's nothing those war profiteers could do about it. there are no western boots on the ground.

no need to completely overstate the massive power those disgusting war-profiteers already have. but i guess in order for you to blame "the west" for a war that russia decided to start and could easily end at any point if they wanted to, you have to resort to conspiratorial bs...


The west wanted this war fam, there's a reason why we need wars/proxy wars to test out new doctrine/tech. Drone warfare is being revolutionized before our eyes, you think the mic wants this to stop?
This is a testing ground and none of your kvetching is gona stop innocent Ukrainian men from being slaughtered so my Lockheed Martin stocks can moon.
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Aug 8 2023 07:04pm
Quote (zorzin @ 9 Aug 2023 02:43)
The west wanted this war fam, there's a reason why we need wars/proxy wars to test out new doctrine/tech. Drone warfare is being revolutionized before our eyes, you think the mic wants this to stop?
This is a testing ground and none of your kvetching is gona stop innocent Ukrainian men from being slaughtered so my Lockheed Martin stocks can moon.


so you just ignore the fact that russia started the war and could end it at any point, the fact that the MIC does not have that kind of political influence in the rest of the western world, that there are no american boots on the ground that could be forced to continue this war, in favour of your overly conspiratorial bs, huh?

you take a kernel of truth (the MIC's real influence on US foreign policy) and completely blow it out of proportion, until it fits your chosen narrative, lol.

whatever you have to tell yourself, i guess, in order to portray a war-mongering, murdering dictator as the victim of a war he started, in order to blame the hundreds of thousands of innocent lives lost on someone else. pootlickers...
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Aug 8 2023 07:13pm
Quote (fender @ Aug 8 2023 09:04pm)
so you just ignore the fact that russia started the war..


Yes. Ain't no Russian ever call me a racist.
The problem you now face is that all of your enemies are your neighbors and not a bunch of people you've never met thousands of miles away.

We are not the good guys, we're the ones prolonging this war to suit our needs.
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Aug 8 2023 07:29pm
Quote (zorzin @ 9 Aug 2023 03:13)
Yes. Ain't no Russian ever call me a racist.
The problem you now face is that all of your enemies are your neighbors and not a bunch of people you've never met thousands of miles away.

We are not the good guys, we're the ones prolonging this war to suit our needs.


"we"? "our"? even if i bought into your simplistic conspiracy, i'm neither american nor a member of the MIC.

and again, even those can't force ukrainian soldiers to continue fighting - or russians for that matter. it's literally all in pootin's bloody hands...

pootlickers...
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Aug 8 2023 09:28pm
Quote (zorzin @ Aug 9 2023 03:13am)
Yes. Ain't no Russian ever call me a racist.
The problem you now face is that all of your enemies are your neighbors and not a bunch of people you've never met thousands of miles away.

We are not the good guys, we're the ones prolonging this war to suit our needs.


you are replying to copypasta from like 18 months ago ^_^
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Aug 8 2023 10:12pm
Quote (DizzyBusiness @ Aug 8 2023 05:32pm)
Who let fender out of his cage wtf


Same people keeping hidden from us
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Aug 8 2023 11:30pm
Quote (fender @ Aug 8 2023 06:04pm)
so you just ignore the fact that russia started the war and could end it at any point, the fact that the MIC does not have that kind of political influence in the rest of the western world, that there are no american boots on the ground that could be forced to continue this war, in favour of your overly conspiratorial bs, huh?

you take a kernel of truth (the MIC's real influence on US foreign policy) and completely blow it out of proportion, until it fits your chosen narrative, lol.

whatever you have to tell yourself, i guess, in order to portray a war-mongering, murdering dictator as the victim of a war he started, in order to blame the hundreds of thousands of innocent lives lost on someone else. pootlickers...


Russia did not start the war - the Russo-Ukrainian war began in February 2014 with the USA-orchestrated violent coup which removed the elected pro-Russia president and installed a pro-USA president
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Aug 9 2023 12:04am
Quote (Meanwhile @ 8 Aug 2023 21:51)
"When Ukraine first requested Western tanks, satellite images show Russia had only started to build fortifications. By time Ukraine finally received tanks, hundreds of miles of fortifications were visible." | Ukraine maps show price of allies’ hesitation

https://twitter.com/peterrough/status/1688921331667206144

=> So true, time to put all in.


I hope you realize that it would have taken many months to train Ukrainian tank commanders on Western tanks, and to establish the supply and maintenance to use them for more than 2 days. Realistically, even if the West had responded immediately to their requests for tanks, it would still have been too late.
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Aug 9 2023 12:47am
Quote (El1te @ 9 Aug 2023 07:30)
Russia did not start the war - the Russo-Ukrainian war began in February 2014 with the USA-orchestrated violent coup which removed the elected pro-Russia president and installed a pro-USA president


you could have just told me that you simply don't know what the word "war" means, lol.

the ukrainian people ousting a kremlin puppet, who violated the ukrainian constitution in order to serve moscow and become a dictator, is NOT "war". russia repeatedly invading ukrainian territory and murdering ukrainians is.
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