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Quote (Hamsterbaby @ 5 Aug 2023 16:10)
You are welcome to make more threads like that if you have nothing good constructive to comment.

https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=98621216&f=119


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Don't think that much people are drinking your poison.


Judging from the fact that at least 60% of the users on this topic block you and Proximity out. I differ that particular narrative.

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Why shouldn't they? NATO weaponized all kinds of shit against Russia from trade to money to insurance to agriculture and much more. Russia is weaponizing what it can in response, tit for tat. Only hypocrites complain when the person they're bullying returns the favour.


NATO is mostly trying to hit Russia's economy while Russia is hitting Ukraine's civilian population. And yes, the shenanigans with the grain deal and fertilizer are clearly a Russian attempt at driving up global food prices so that there's more international pressure on Ukraine accept the gains Russia made so far.

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And again: note that the African leaders were directly and unequivocally calling Putin out on it when they met with him a couple of days ago. You guys love to jump at any news which shows the West's slipping clout on the international stage, for example when countries like South Africa abstained on UN resolutions or refused to join Western sanctions against Russia... yet you remained dead silent on this story. ^_^
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"We would like the Black Sea initiative to be implemented and that the Black Sea should be open," South African President Cyril Ramaphosa said. "We are not here to plead for donations for the African continent."

https://www.npr.org/2023/07/30/1190968770/african-leaders-leave-russia-summit-without-grain-deal-or-path-to-peace-in-ukrai


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"The disruptions of energy and grain supplies must end immediately. The grain deal must be extended for the benefit of all the peoples of the world, Africans in particular." - African Union Commission Chairman Moussa Faki Mahamat

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African leaders pressed Russian President Vladimir Putin on Friday to move ahead with their plan to end the Ukraine conflict.
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Reuters reported in June that the African plan floats a series of possible steps to defuse the conflict, including a Russian troop pull-back, removal of Russian tactical nuclear weapons from Belarus, suspension of an International Criminal Court arrest warrant against Putin, and sanctions relief. Putin gave it a cool reception when African leaders presented it to him last month.
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Congo Republic President Denis Sassou Nguesso said the initiative "deserves the closest attention", calling "urgently" for peace.
South African President Cyril Ramaphosa told Putin: "We feel that we have a right to call for peace - the ongoing conflict also negatively affects us."


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At the summit, Egyptian President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi urged Russia to revive the Black Sea grain deal which, until Moscow refused to renew it last week, had granted Ukraine a "safe corridor" to export grain from its seaports despite the conflict.
Egypt is a big buyer of grain via the Black Sea route, and Sisi told the summit it was "essential to reach agreement" on reviving the deal.

https://www.reuters.com/world/putin-tells-african-leaders-moscow-is-studying-their-ukraine-proposal-2023-07-28/


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Also note the duplicity in the statements made by Putin:
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Putin in a press conference late Saturday following the Russia-Africa summit said Russia's termination of the grain deal earlier this month caused a rise in grain prices that benefits Russian companies.
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Putin responded [to Sisi's urging for a resumption of the grain deal] by arguing, as he has in the past, that rising world food prices were a consequence of Western policy mistakes long predating the Ukraine war.


So Putin on the one hand argues that his termination of the grain deal has caused grain prices to rise, but on the other hand argues that the West is responsible for rising world food prices.

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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Aug 5 2023 08:57pm)
NATO is mostly trying to hit Russia's economy while Russia is hitting Ukraine's civilian population. And yes, the shenanigans with the grain deal and fertilizer are clearly a Russian attempt at driving up global food prices so that there's more international pressure on Ukraine accept the gains Russia made so far.

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And again: note that the African leaders were directly and unequivocally calling Putin out on it when they met with him a couple of days ago. You guys love to jump at any news which shows the West's slipping clout on the international stage, for example when countries like South Africa abstained on UN resolutions or refused to join Western sanctions against Russia... yet you remained dead silent on this story. ^_^

https://www.npr.org/2023/07/30/1190968770/african-leaders-leave-russia-summit-without-grain-deal-or-path-to-peace-in-ukrai






https://www.reuters.com/world/putin-tells-african-leaders-moscow-is-studying-their-ukraine-proposal-2023-07-28/


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Also note the duplicity in the statements made by Putin:


So Putin on the one hand argues that his termination of the grain deal has caused grain prices to rise, but on the other hand argues that the West is responsible for rising world food prices.


Russia is going to deliver 25-50k tons of grain for free, so basically, Russia bought them. That free grain exported need to be paid foe elsewhere.

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Quote (Black XistenZ @ 5 Aug 2023 14:57)
NATO is mostly trying to hit Russia's economy while Russia is hitting Ukraine's civilian population. And yes, the shenanigans with the grain deal and fertilizer are clearly a Russian attempt at driving up global food prices so that there's more international pressure on Ukraine accept the gains Russia made so far.


Bullshit NATO attempted to isolate Russia from ALL global trade and communications. An attack on the civilian Russian population. Russia has every right to take any steps in response.

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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Aug 5 2023 02:57pm)
NATO is mostly trying to hit Russia's economy while Russia is hitting Ukraine's civilian population. And yes, the shenanigans with the grain deal and fertilizer are clearly a Russian attempt at driving up global food prices so that there's more international pressure on Ukraine accept the gains Russia made so far.

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And again: note that the African leaders were directly and unequivocally calling Putin out on it when they met with him a couple of days ago. You guys love to jump at any news which shows the West's slipping clout on the international stage, for example when countries like South Africa abstained on UN resolutions or refused to join Western sanctions against Russia... yet you remained dead silent on this story. ^_^

https://www.npr.org/2023/07/30/1190968770/african-leaders-leave-russia-summit-without-grain-deal-or-path-to-peace-in-ukrai






https://www.reuters.com/world/putin-tells-african-leaders-moscow-is-studying-their-ukraine-proposal-2023-07-28/


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Also note the duplicity in the statements made by Putin:


So Putin on the one hand argues that his termination of the grain deal has caused grain prices to rise, but on the other hand argues that the West is responsible for rising world food prices.


The grain deal was to be fulfilled based on both sides getting something out of it. Really, none of the Russians asks have been fulfilled. The west won't ease sanctions on pretty much anything. We made it hard for them to move energy and their commodities through exclusion from SWIFT, through barriers on shipping insurance, and many things, which honestly all have a negative impact on food prices. Yet you think the onus is completely on Russia. If you want to place pre-conditions and box in a country where they are only allowed to operate under a set of strict conditions to limit benefit to them is it a surprise they refuse? So yes they are weaponizing food, but us trying to completely cut them off from international trade is a huge driver of this as well.
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back from holidays, did i miss anything ? i saw that Ukraine was attacking sites in Russia, that will escalate of course. i did not see anything else of note recently (slow going either side, no change to navalny situation, putin stamping out dissent)
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Quote (ferdia @ 6 Aug 2023 11:35)
back from holidays, did i miss anything ? i saw that Ukraine was attacking sites in Russia, that will escalate of course. i did not see anything else of note recently (slow going either side, no change to navalny situation, putin stamping out dissent)


Welcome back Ferdia ! :)
I hope you enjoyed yourself immensely during your trip.
I will be taking some business trips soon. I tagged you in a thread I made.

This post was edited by Hamsterbaby on Aug 5 2023 09:43pm
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Quote (ferdia @ 6 Aug 2023 05:35)
back from holidays, did i miss anything ? i saw that Ukraine was attacking sites in Russia, that will escalate of course. i did not see anything else of note recently (slow going either side, no change to navalny situation, putin stamping out dissent)


The media reporting on the war has shifted in such a way that it does seem like they might be headed in the direction of negotiated settlement. Nonetheless, nobody seems to be particularly serious about it yet.

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